Can on a 15/22?

[WilsonFlyer]

My local gunshop guy basically told me that a can was useless on a .22 rifle unless I was running subsonic ammo. I'm afraid the 15/22 won't cycle ammo like Thunderbolts, though admittedly I've never tried.

What kind of results have you guys seen?

 

[sithlord]

My local gunshop guy basically told me that a can was useless on a .22 rifle unless I was running subsonic ammo. I'm afraid the 15/22 won't cycle ammo like Thunderbolts, though admittedly I've never tried.

What kind of results have you guys seen?

With a 16" barrel, there is not a significant drop in dB on a 22lr high velocity round, because the bullet will be supersonic out of the barrel. And the sonic crack is about 140dB.

Standard velocity rounds, like the CCI SV run quiet suppressed.

The action should cycle just fine with a can running anything >900 FPS.

 

[Rob1]

I ran mine from new with sound mod and subsonics. No problems.
I use Winchester X subs as a rule though have used Rems as well.

I now use pretty much anything I can find from Eley club, American Eagle and such

With and with out sound mods.

No problems. The occasional stoppage due to not fully re set hammer.

Rob.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

My local gunshop guy basically told me that a can was useless on a .22 rifle unless I was running subsonic ammo. I'm afraid the 15/22 won't cycle ammo like Thunderbolts, though admittedly I've never tried.

What kind of results have you guys seen?

Useless is a strong word. The suppressor on a .22 does a good job of reducing the sound form the round going off. Obviously the lower that sound the quieter the end result. However there are other things that make up the sound of a gun firing. The sonic crack from high velocity ammo fired from a rifle barrel is rather loud... but not directly at your gun. It takes a bit of distance for the bullet to accelerate to the speed of sound. A semi auto's action actually makes quiet a bit of noise... more than you would ever know unless you shot suppressed.

So yes, if you want to take full advantage of how quiet a 15-22 can be suppressed, then use subsonic ammo. That initial bang is less plus no sonic crack. Then you will hear how noisy the bolt cycling can be. If you then want to experience ultra quiet .22 shooting, put that suppressor on a bolt gun, such as my CZ 455. Subsonic thru it sounds like a BB gun.

BTW, there is no big deal finding subsonic ammo. Champion Shooters Supply still offers Norma Tac-22 by the case and that is some GREAT ammo. I have no failures whatsoever when shooting that or CCI SV. Keep in mind, a suppressor actually helps the reliability when shooting lower powered ammo. It increases back pressure, which is used to cycle the action. That being said, my 15-22s cycle subsonic ammo perfectly without a suppressor. Not talking about that specialty ammo, like CCI Quiet.

 

[batman4706]

I live in a city and I test my 15-22 with a Spectre II & CCI Standard in my backyard. All you hear is the action working. With my bolt action it's movie quiet.

 

[Rob1]

Useless is a strong word. The suppressor on a .22 does a good job of reducing the sound form the round going off. Obviously the lower that sound the quieter the end result. However there are other things that make up the sound of a gun firing. The sonic crack from high velocity ammo fired from a rifle barrel is rather loud... but not directly at your gun. It takes a bit of distance for the bullet to accelerate to the speed of sound. A semi auto's action actually makes quiet a bit of noise... more than you would ever know unless you shot suppressed.

So yes, if you want to take full advantage of how quiet a 15-22 can be suppressed, then use subsonic ammo. That initial bang is less plus no sonic crack. Then you will hear how noisy the bolt cycling can be. If you then want to experience ultra quiet .22 shooting, put that suppressor on a bolt gun, such as my CZ 455. Subsonic thru it sounds like a BB gun.

BTW, there is no big deal finding subsonic ammo. Champion Shooters Supply still offers Norma Tac-22 by the case and that is some GREAT ammo. I have no failures whatsoever when shooting that or CCI SV. Keep in mind, a suppressor actually helps the reliability when shooting lower powered ammo. It increases back pressure, which is used to cycle the action. That being said, my 15-22s cycle subsonic ammo perfectly without a suppressor. Not talking about that specialty ammo, like CCI Quiet.

Plus 1 for the above.

Rob

 

[TunaFisherman]

You need to find a new gunstore where they know what they are talking about. I run a Gemtech on mine and its very quiet. You hear the gun cycling and bullet noise. It doesnt like to cycle subs, I run Federal bulk box thru mine.

 

[dullh]

I've developed an affinity for Norma TAC-22, which is subsonic ammo. It cycles my 15-22 no problem. However...the best way to keep any ammo subsonic is to cut your rifle barrel down. That would require an ATF Form 1 registration with a $200 tax (any barrel length under 16" is a Short Barrel Rifle), but if you don't want to go that route (which I did) you can always pick CCI SV or TAC-22...

 

[dullh]

You need to find a new gunstore where they know what they are talking about. I run a Gemtech on mine and its very quiet. You hear the gun cycling and bullet noise. It doesnt like to cycle subs, I run Federal bulk box thru mine.

Bullet noise is what he's trying to avoid. That would be the supersonic "crack"...

 

[dullh]

Oh and I just wanted to mention that I pick up my SilencerCo Sparrow sometime this week. It's for my 15-22 with 5" barrel (F1 registered SBR). My F4 was approved 1/17 after only 95 days...just waiting for the postman to deliver the form to my dealer...

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Thanks guys! All very SOUND advice (hehehehe). I knew I'd get the straight skinny here.

Thanks again!

 

[RV4driver]

My experience...I found that the suppressor with standard HV ammo was still noisy. Not a noticeable difference between my suppressed 15-22 and that of my friend with a non-suppressed 15-22 shooting right next to me. Then, I tried the Federal suppressor ammo. HUGE difference. All you could hear was the action cycling. THAT was what I was looking for.
Now, the pistols, the suppressor and standard velocity ammo, and other ammo was quiet. I just tried some CCI Quiet ammo yesterday, wouldn't cycle either the M&P22 or the Ruger SR22. Quiet, sure, but was a single shot experience. The pistols with standard velocity ammo and the suppressor ran fine, quiet and reliable. I haven't tried the Quiet CCI and 15-22 and suppressor yet, but have 4 mags filled with the Quiet, so will update soon.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

My experience...I found that the suppressor with standard HV ammo was still noisy. Not a noticeable difference between my suppressed 15-22 and that of my friend with a non-suppressed 15-22 shooting right next to me. Then, I tried the Federal suppressor ammo. HUGE difference. All you could hear was the action cycling. THAT was what I was looking for.
Now, the pistols, the suppressor and standard velocity ammo, and other ammo was quiet. I just tried some CCI Quiet ammo yesterday, wouldn't cycle either the M&P22 or the Ruger SR22. Quiet, sure, but was a single shot experience. The pistols with standard velocity ammo and the suppressor ran fine, quiet and reliable. I haven't tried the Quiet CCI and 15-22 and suppressor yet, but have 4 mags filled with the Quiet, so will update soon.

I really think this is what my gun shop buddy was trying to say. It would help, in other words, but not as much on a rifle as true suppressor ammo would.

Don't get the wrong idea, guys. My gun shop guy is knowledgeable. I just probably did not properly explain what I heard. That's why I came here. For clarification.

 

[dullh]

My experience...I found that the suppressor with standard HV ammo was still noisy. Not a noticeable difference between my suppressed 15-22 and that of my friend with a non-suppressed 15-22 shooting right next to me. Then, I tried the Federal suppressor ammo. HUGE difference. All you could hear was the action cycling. THAT was what I was looking for.
Now, the pistols, the suppressor and standard velocity ammo, and other ammo was quiet. I just tried some CCI Quiet ammo yesterday, wouldn't cycle either the M&P22 or the Ruger SR22. Quiet, sure, but was a single shot experience. The pistols with standard velocity ammo and the suppressor ran fine, quiet and reliable. I haven't tried the Quiet CCI and 15-22 and suppressor yet, but have 4 mags filled with the Quiet, so will update soon.

Please tell us which suppressor was being used in this example.

All suppressors are not created equal...some are way better than others and if you are going to jump through all the hoops to legally acquire one you are far and away better off buying quality the first time...

 

[RedNeck Jim]

I understand what your buddy is saying. I too don't understand why anyone would shoot HV ammo thru a suppressed 15-22 with a rifle barrel. Actually I don't understand shooting HV ammo suppressed thru any barrel... carbine length or pistol length. To me, the whole point of shooting suppressed is to be as quiet as possible. No matter your barrel length or suppressor used, the quietest shot will always be the one with subsonic ammo.

Take the 300 Blackout round. It, like the .22, has HV & subsonic ammo available. Sure you can shoot the HV ammo suppressed & there are plenty of reasons for doing so, however if you want to take advantage of what the suppressor can really do, you shoot subsonic.

 

[RV4driver]

Update:
CCI Quiet ammo, 15-22 and Tactical Innovations Stratus can.
It works. It's both quiet and reliable. I ran an entire mag through the Smith and no failures. All rounds made it through a 4x4 and some made it through two 4x4s. When outside, it is a lot quieter (apparently) than it is in a room in the basement. So, not silent then. Still, no ear protection and it wasn't particularly loud, either.
All in all, I'm pleased, since I have a thousand rounds of the stuff.

 

[swinokur]

Good to know. I have 1000 rounds of CCI Quiet coming tomorrow . Glad I didn't waste my money.

I'm using a Sparrow as my can.

 

[Kayback]

With my (legally) home made suppressor with HVHP my gun goes KLACK with sub sonics it goes tic. Without the can it goes BANG.