No pistol in the dishwasher....I am definitely with you on that one.
Just don't ask me to give up my Mobil 1 & non-clor brake cleaner for metal parts. I may be frugal, but my stuff runs!
Can you clean your gun this way?!!!
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Just don't ask me to give up my Mobil 1 & non-clor brake cleaner for metal parts. I may be frugal, but my stuff runs!
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I've cleaned many a M2, m240, m249 in a shower, hell even a few filthy m16/m4s. But I wouldn't do it with my pistol. Even a lot of range time wouldn't warrant submerging it in my opinion. Most pistols are too easy to clean with a dab of clp to break down carbon.
You could submerge it but getting all the water out and getting oil into the interior of the weapon to prevent rust would be a biotch.
You could submerge it but getting all the water out and getting oil into the interior of the weapon to prevent rust would be a biotch.
Ofc.JL
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Hey Shawn, if I might? I have been a LE armorer since S&W was still making it's metal frame pistols, even before the 1st of their polymer pistols was intoduced. Been thru several Armorers classes from S&W since that time. To include even the hated SIGMA pistol. Originally the SIGMA had much a better trigger pull back then. When S&W scrapped the 1st SIGMA's and brought them back as the SW VE series, the State of Mass changed the law on them, and the gun had to be built with a 10lb trigger pull. And no, I don't remember the lawsuit with Glock(which was settled out of Court, IIRC) being the reason for the trigger change. The lock work in a SIGMA is NOT similiar to a Glock, period. I might be mistaken about that, but I don't believe so.
Anyway, what I was told about the "tampon" was that it was put in the trigger return spring to dampen the vibrations that were occuring in the spring, while the pistol was firing. In a few rare instances, the early SIGMA springs would sometimes fracture at the hook bend. S&W investigated the problem, and the Engineers decided to put in the "Tampon", as a vibration snubber. That worked, and works well still. However, several things come to mind. In the past 20 years or so, being around lots of SIGMA's(God love 'em...lol!), M&P's, and SD's, both in LE and civilian hands, I have yet to see one break. I have also yet to see any trigger return spring missing the "tampon", although I would wager that someone, somewhere has probably lost or removed theirs. Another point is that spring technology and manufacturing has advanced greatly in the last 20 years. Materials and heat treating are much improved, making springs almost(almost, but not quite) indestructable.
Oh, and one other point. They don't talk about it, but I know for a fact that in very rare cases, Glock trigger return springs break as well. And not knocking Glock, either. I like them very much, I just don't like the trigger pull on 'em. Just personal preference. Glocks trigger springs are almost identical to S&W's and suffer the same vibrations. Glock considers it a very small problem.
end result is this, rest assured that trigger return spring breakage in M&P's and Glocks is almost a non issue. And even if it happens, it's an easy fix that anyone can do. If in the field and it occurs, your trigger finger, or a support finger can be used to push the trigger forward and the weapon's trigger will reset. Not the best solution, but a workable expediant fix until the problem can be addressed.
Just don't worry about it, it's not a problem.
Also, rest easy knowing I was not trying to call you down in anyway, I just thought I would relate my experience over the years with lots of rounds down range. For your perusal, if you like.
Thanx, my Brother,
Ofc.JL
Anyway, what I was told about the "tampon" was that it was put in the trigger return spring to dampen the vibrations that were occuring in the spring, while the pistol was firing. In a few rare instances, the early SIGMA springs would sometimes fracture at the hook bend. S&W investigated the problem, and the Engineers decided to put in the "Tampon", as a vibration snubber. That worked, and works well still. However, several things come to mind. In the past 20 years or so, being around lots of SIGMA's(God love 'em...lol!), M&P's, and SD's, both in LE and civilian hands, I have yet to see one break. I have also yet to see any trigger return spring missing the "tampon", although I would wager that someone, somewhere has probably lost or removed theirs. Another point is that spring technology and manufacturing has advanced greatly in the last 20 years. Materials and heat treating are much improved, making springs almost(almost, but not quite) indestructable.
Oh, and one other point. They don't talk about it, but I know for a fact that in very rare cases, Glock trigger return springs break as well. And not knocking Glock, either. I like them very much, I just don't like the trigger pull on 'em. Just personal preference. Glocks trigger springs are almost identical to S&W's and suffer the same vibrations. Glock considers it a very small problem.
end result is this, rest assured that trigger return spring breakage in M&P's and Glocks is almost a non issue. And even if it happens, it's an easy fix that anyone can do. If in the field and it occurs, your trigger finger, or a support finger can be used to push the trigger forward and the weapon's trigger will reset. Not the best solution, but a workable expediant fix until the problem can be addressed.
Just don't worry about it, it's not a problem.
Also, rest easy knowing I was not trying to call you down in anyway, I just thought I would relate my experience over the years with lots of rounds down range. For your perusal, if you like.
Thanx, my Brother,
Ofc.JL
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Oh, and the cleaning thing? Washing any firearm with water is just not a good idea. It could lead to a whole raft of other concerns and problems, trust me.
One of the first problems is that water is not the correct solvent for hydrocarbon oils and solvents. They do not mix. They can be forced to emulsify, but again, wrong moleculear mix. Old "oil and water don't mix" adage.
Water left in a firearm(and it will be unless it is removed by heat) can cause numerous problems later on, most of which are irreperable damage. I work too hard and don't have the money to waste buying firearms ruined by water damage.
To all, just don't do it.
Black Powder Guys; You Guys know how because it was worked out many, many years ago, just for black powder. Cartridge firearms, even with corrosive ammo, no. Plenty of ways to clean w/o putting water into the delicate area's of a firearm.
Thanx All again,
Ofc.JL
One of the first problems is that water is not the correct solvent for hydrocarbon oils and solvents. They do not mix. They can be forced to emulsify, but again, wrong moleculear mix. Old "oil and water don't mix" adage.
Water left in a firearm(and it will be unless it is removed by heat) can cause numerous problems later on, most of which are irreperable damage. I work too hard and don't have the money to waste buying firearms ruined by water damage.
To all, just don't do it.
Black Powder Guys; You Guys know how because it was worked out many, many years ago, just for black powder. Cartridge firearms, even with corrosive ammo, no. Plenty of ways to clean w/o putting water into the delicate area's of a firearm.
Thanx All again,
Ofc.JL
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