It is great that the Sgt. At Arms was recognized as a hero. Over here the media would question the whole thing and pretty soon the ACLU would show up.
Canadian Sergeant at Arms
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Brian41
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Saw today on TV Sgt. Vickers was given a standing ovation by the Canada parliament, well done sir. He appeared to have a tear in his eye afterwards and suspect him to be a humble man.
george minze
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God bless Mr. Vickers...As is often the case...Normal men step up and do heroic acts.........As is often the case the right man with the right attitude is at the right place at the right time........As often seen in combat a regular person rises to a very irregular situation...I sometimes think God places the right person at the right place..sadly many times that right person is called upon to give the ultimate sacrifice.....thank God for his placement of RCMP Vickers (retired) with out doubt the right person at the right time.......Those who would do us harm are becoming more empowered by wrong thinking rhetoric, and excuses for their behavior....maybe we can learn something from our neighbors to the North..
fiasconva
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If that had happened in DC the press would be concentrating on what led this troubled young man to do this and how he got the assault weapon. There would be no mention of the heroic act by Mr. Vickers.
schgsd
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And in that one instant, Sgt Vickers made the US Secret Service look like a clown parade. Well done Sgt Vickers, SIR!
In fairness, protecting the Capitol building is the responsibility of the US Capitol Police. Which I seem to remember had a shoot out a few years ago where one officer died defending the inhabitants against a similar attack.
That being said, Sgt. Vickers could be hired as a consultant to help straighten out the USSS. Which doesn't seem to need a "manager" as much as it needs a "leader".
That being said, Sgt. Vickers could be hired as a consultant to help straighten out the USSS. Which doesn't seem to need a "manager" as much as it needs a "leader".
Texas Star
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Vickers is a retired Mountie. I do not know which rank he held there. But Sgt.-at-Arms is a position, not a rank, per se.
It may not be correct to call him Sgt. Vickers.
No one has mentioned that Vickers was also the name of the primary machinegun of Commonwealth forces in WWI-at least Korea. It was a Maxim variant. But this Vickers dId quite okay with a 9mm S&W.
Someone mentioned being surprised that the soldier at the War Memorial didn't have a loaded rifle. Do you really think that the guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns or the Guardsmen at Buckingham Palace have loaded rifles? I hope that they at least have sharpened bayonets.
Some years ago, a former UK Prime Minister visited a university here and gave a speech. His police bodyguard (from New Scotland Yard, I think) was armed with a S&W M-36 snub .38 and the old dis-service RN lead ammo. A friend of mine was a dean at the college and was also director of campus security. He gave the British cop some lead HP Plus P ammo, for which he was grateful. But I wonder if he was allowed to carry that ammo.
It's time that we got serious about protecting our dignitaries and hallowed national sites. This terrorism thing is going to get worse. Thankfully, the Secret Service dogs caught an intruder at the White House today. Maybe that organization is getting better under the new interim director.
It may not be correct to call him Sgt. Vickers.
No one has mentioned that Vickers was also the name of the primary machinegun of Commonwealth forces in WWI-at least Korea. It was a Maxim variant. But this Vickers dId quite okay with a 9mm S&W.
Someone mentioned being surprised that the soldier at the War Memorial didn't have a loaded rifle. Do you really think that the guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns or the Guardsmen at Buckingham Palace have loaded rifles? I hope that they at least have sharpened bayonets.
Some years ago, a former UK Prime Minister visited a university here and gave a speech. His police bodyguard (from New Scotland Yard, I think) was armed with a S&W M-36 snub .38 and the old dis-service RN lead ammo. A friend of mine was a dean at the college and was also director of campus security. He gave the British cop some lead HP Plus P ammo, for which he was grateful. But I wonder if he was allowed to carry that ammo.
It's time that we got serious about protecting our dignitaries and hallowed national sites. This terrorism thing is going to get worse. Thankfully, the Secret Service dogs caught an intruder at the White House today. Maybe that organization is getting better under the new interim director.
The Last Standing Knight
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Canadian media are hailing him as a hero.
Texas Star
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Well, he sure deserves a gift certificate to Tim Horton's!
Or, more. I hope they give him a medal.
SC_Mike
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IMO, in this case both shooters received/are receiving what they deserved.
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Im glad for that Sergeant at Arms and also glad he made the perp permanently go "farming." I think the downside of all the publicity Vickers is getting--is it also might make him a target for some other insane glory-seeking punk.
Too late! Not to take anything away from our Canadian friend but I am afraid the Secret Service has done that for themselves.
Black_Sheep
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Members of Parliament gave Sergeant-at-Arms a rousing standing ovation the following day. He appeared to be humbled if not mildly embarrased by all of the attention.
Canadian Parliament Gives Sergeant of Arms Kevin Vickers Standing Ovation - YouTube
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The Last Standing Knight
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I figure that in very short order
Sergeant-at-Arms Vickers will add some letters to his last name and that he will be awarded the Canadian Cross of Valor.
You could tell by the way he carried himself that he is still at heart a Mountie.
Sergeant-at-Arms Vickers will add some letters to his last name and that he will be awarded the Canadian Cross of Valor.
You could tell by the way he carried himself that he is still at heart a Mountie.
sipowicz
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I heard they called it "non-American violence."
Texas Star
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Look carefully at him in the video. I think he wears a sword. Probably just ceremonial, but I hope he can have it sharpened.
Most people wearing swords today have probably never been trained in their use.
BTW, Lt. Churchill wasn't using his sword at Omdurman due to a polo injury. That's why he drew his Mauser C-96 pistol before closing with the Dervishes. Good thing he did, as his troop of cavalry was ambushed and he had to shoot his way through a bunch of them.
Most people wearing swords today have probably never been trained in their use.
BTW, Lt. Churchill wasn't using his sword at Omdurman due to a polo injury. That's why he drew his Mauser C-96 pistol before closing with the Dervishes. Good thing he did, as his troop of cavalry was ambushed and he had to shoot his way through a bunch of them.
Texas Star
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Where does that decoration rank? Is it a civilian award? I think Australia modified the award of the VC to indicate a more Aussie name. Did Canada also do that? Several Aussies have received the VC in Iraq or Afghanistan. But it was for military valor.
I think the British dropped the old Distinguished Service Order as second to the VC and have a new award in its place, for all ranks.
I met an 86 year old Marine vet today. A really nice old guy, but you could just see that even now in a fight he'd probably pummel somebody a quarter of his age.
