Canceled the P365 order. I'll stick with the Shield

FloridaS&W said:
At $599 the P365 is over double what I paid for my Shield. That gun would have to jump off the table and clean itself before I would even consider it. Even at twice the price, something about the 365 looks cheap to me. And I don't mean the cheap internals from India.
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My p365 was $499 like most others and it’s a better shooter and holds a lot more rounds than my Shield. I put night sights on my Shield for another $100 and you’re at the price of the p365. If they can get the quality control fixed the 365 it too if it’s class.


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FloridaS&W said:
At $599 the P365 is over double what I paid for my Shield. That gun would have to jump off the table and clean itself before I would even consider it. Even at twice the price, something about the 365 looks cheap to me. And I don't mean the cheap internals from India.
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Overall M&P is my favorite line of pistols though. I’m carrying the M&P 2.0 compact 3.6 inch as we speak.


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NvrGiveUp said:
After reading all the **** about the P365 having issues too many to list here, I canceled my pre-order and will stick with the Shield (first generation). Why? Because if I'm betting my life on something, I want there to be absolutely ZERO DOUBT about its function and dependability.
I carried a Beretta 96D and then two different Sig P226 weapons before I retired. The Beretta was a piece of total junk and the 226's were tack drivers. I'm sure the P365 will be much better in the future but for now, I'll stick with what I know: Thousands of rounds fired through the Shield with ZERO weapon malfunctions.
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Good decision on the Shield. I have two--9 and 45 -- both great pistols.

Not arguing, but I don't know what happened to your Berettas before you got them as carry weapons, but I have two and both are tack drivers. Mine were new ones that I bought and were SA/DA. I know there are DAO models which can suck, but I couldn't have had a more accurate or dependable full-sized pistol.
 
I've had the Shield 9 the longest, and still reach for it when I go out. What would I change? A few more rounds, and a little easier to rack (my 70 year old, arthritic thumbs).

I bought the P365 in May. I'm ready to start carrying it now. It's a much better gun than a lot of folks realize. That doesn't mean I'll sell the Shield. It's a great gun, and I'll keep it.

As for the M&P 9 Compact. Academy had two sales, and S&W had a $50 rebate. For $351 +Tax, I really couldn't walk away from it. It could make a heckova truck gun.

I don't really feel like making arguments as to which is best. I like all three. I suppose I will have to bump a couple of other guns out of the safe. But I intend to keep the three I just mentioned.
 
Picked up a Shield EZ 380 on Friday at a price too great to pass up. Pleasantly surprised by how well it shoots (1 inch spread for first 8 rounds fired at 7 yards). Fired 200 rounds with only two ejection failures (both my fault). Best part, my wife can actually pull the slide to chamber a round, which she can't do with her Glocks and Sigs (she changes mags before shooting the last round).
 
I do feel bad for all those who bought a after market striker for $100. after Sig proclaimed the striker was a non-issue but a small bad batch.

However the next batch of P365's will have a new striker, however it wont fit the current P365's unless the slide is also modified, so I wonder if Sig will have a "Recall" Voluntary Upgrade or not but I doubt that!

Wonder what if anything is being done about the trigger bar/spring issue?

They still have not been able to fix the issues with the Military P320's of which there are many and internally those guns are very different from the Civilian models!:eek:
 
Even poe performance as much as he loved it sold his P365.....1700 flawless rounds thru it...but as he came to learn....even it is not a proven platform and he can't trust it for the long term....

Had shield's since they came out....added the magguts +2 spring system to all the 8 round mags...carries quietly, minimal weight, shoots great, and never had a problem with 3 of them....2 9's and a 45.....

I am a believer.......but that's not to say in 1 year or so the Sig platform will not improve and the manufacturing and quality control can correct the catastrophic failures of the gen-2 365...but they are not there yet.....would not want to risk my life on that weapon at the current level...........
 
Just ordered some Magguts for my 8 rd Shield mags, the reviews are excellent on them but they have only been around about 1 1/2 yrs.

Magguts had a recall in late 2016 on their 1st gen. but since then have heard of no issues!

Currently have the Strike EMP's on both 7 & 8 rd. mags and is fine in the 7 rd. but just to long & ugly on the 8 rd. mag.
 
I can't imagine Sig not getting a handle on the issues. There's just too many problems right now.


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Here's a true confession of an S&W revolver lover. I looked closely at the Shield when it came out but didn't see any advantage over the Kahr K9, P9, and PM9s that I own and carried. When the P365 came out I saw definitive advantages in that it holds 10 or 12 rounds and I shoot them (I now have 2 P365s) better. The P365 also fits the Kahr K9 holster and I've had no problems. Sorry S&W. I do wish Springfield had come out with it.
 
akdude said:
They haven't been able to fix the Military P320 issues yet!
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Not very comforting is it? Anything can fail but I'm sure not trusting any weapon with as many issues as they've had.


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Sig is wanting to use the civilian internals on the P320 MHS guns instead of the Military internals, which are way different than the civi guns !:eek:
 
Both are great guns

I've been extremely happy with my S&W Shield PC 9mm, and I alternate carry between that and a Model 642...both fit right into the side pocket of my shorts or slacks (mostly shorts down here in balmy Florida!) in a Malabar Gunleather bullhide or Sticky pocket holster. I also AIWB carry the Shield in a Crossbreed Appendix holster. The two pistols are not much different in size, but I will admit that the Shield fits my hand a little better. I have looked seriously at a SIG P365, mostly because of the smooth trigger and double-stack magazine. Unfortunately, no one around here can get their hands on one either in a shop or at a gun show. The back-order list at most lgs is 60+, and S&W is only shipping ~4/month to each shop.
 
I've been shooting my Ruger SR9Cs for years, zero failures, better triggers than Glocks IMO.

After recent tries with a Beretta Brigadier and a big CZ (not CCW guns, I fully recognize) which were reliable but guns I had no love for, I've gotten rather turned off about trying new semi autos.

In the hand the 365 doesn't seem all that much smaller than my Rugers, if I can conceal the 365, I can conceal the Ruger. So that and the horror stories of primers being slashed, I'm not buying one.

Since I'm on a S&W forum, I do have a few months old M&P9 2.0 with the 5" barrel and I really like it. And yeah, a bit contradictory with paragraph #2. Don
 
joe44va said:
I looked closely at the Shield when it came out but didn't see any advantage over the Kahr K9, P9, and PM9s that I own and carried.
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This may not be a consideration for a lot of others, but for me one big consideration when considering a gun to buy is the warranty and customer service record of the company. Obviously I also research the gun itself to see if there are issues popping up, but if not, I feel very confident in buying a S&W or Ruger gun, since they both offer lifetime warranty (yes, I know Ruger is more of a lifetime service policy) and excellent customer service, so if there is a problem I count on them to fix it. In fact, I've come to the point in my life where I won't buy a gun made by any company that doesn't offer a lifetime warranty and excellent customer service...unless I buy it from Gun Genie, which provides its own lifetime warranty.

That's just me, though...not saying everyone should feel this way.
 
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