lonestar outlaw
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I am going to purchase my first M&P rifle, Need suggestions
Can't decide on what mp ar to purchase
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cyphertext
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You have to give us a little more to work with, like features wanted, or price range...
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lonestar outlaw
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That's what I'm asking ,I want suggestions on the best one
cyphertext
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There is no "best one".... it depends on what you want. They have different configurations for different use.
But if you just want the "best", then you must mean most expensive. Get the VTAC II. That is the top of the line, so it is the best.
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lonestar outlaw
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I was simply asking for help,I don't know what are the best features are,Thats why I was asking for help in deciding
Thanks for your input
Thanks for your input
cyphertext
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Ok, let's try it this way...
How much money do you want to spend? What is your budget?
How much money do you want to spend? What is your budget?
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lonestar outlaw
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Ok,lets leave it at this,I was looking at the M&P15
cyphertext
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Do you realize how many different models of the M&P 15 there are? With no info, you may as well be asking us "What Ford should I buy?"
You have to share a little more info for someone to be able to help you... I'm done, good luck.
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Get yourself a DPMS oracle. Comes with more **** than a M&P. Haven't had a single malfunction since I've owned it. And it's cheaper.
Cyphertext was trying to help. It is hard to steer you towards the right model S&W AR if we do not know what you want feature wise.
Some people like carbine length direct impingement gas systems, some like mid length and others like rifle length.
Some want a barrel that has 1:8 twist with 5R rifling and others don't care about the twist or rifling.
Some want a carry handle, others want a flat top.
Some want all Magpul furniture, others don't care one way or another.
I would suggest doing some reading on AR's and find out what exactly you want on it. There are tons of different features that you can get. If you want just a economically priced, reliable AR that goes boom every time you pull the trigger, get the M&P 15 Sport. Tons of people have them and love them. If you have a specific purpose for the AR like shooting 3 gun matches, then look at one that will be better suited for that. My first "real" AR (I don't count my S&W 15-22 as a real AR) was the S&W VTAC II. I had a list of wants and it fulfilled the list the best.
So I think you might need to do some research and figure out what you want from an AR. We then will be able to better help you.
Some people like carbine length direct impingement gas systems, some like mid length and others like rifle length.
Some want a barrel that has 1:8 twist with 5R rifling and others don't care about the twist or rifling.
Some want a carry handle, others want a flat top.
Some want all Magpul furniture, others don't care one way or another.
I would suggest doing some reading on AR's and find out what exactly you want on it. There are tons of different features that you can get. If you want just a economically priced, reliable AR that goes boom every time you pull the trigger, get the M&P 15 Sport. Tons of people have them and love them. If you have a specific purpose for the AR like shooting 3 gun matches, then look at one that will be better suited for that. My first "real" AR (I don't count my S&W 15-22 as a real AR) was the S&W VTAC II. I had a list of wants and it fulfilled the list the best.
So I think you might need to do some research and figure out what you want from an AR. We then will be able to better help you.
Dezfan
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If only S&W would get into the AK game!
M&P AK?! Hell yea!
If only S&W would get into the AK game!
M&P AK?! Hell yea!
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lonestar outlaw
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Thank you all for your information
I Think Ill just stick with my handguns
I Think Ill just stick with my handguns
Arik
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Lol....NO THANKS there are plenty of sub par US AKs
rtquig
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I wouldn't give up so quick. The guys on this forum have a lot of AR knowledge, just ask the questions after reading a few days of the different AR post on this forum and others.
I'm sure you wouldn't say " I want a pickup truck, tell me what to buy"? Give it some patience are read. Flat top, Scope, Irons, floating barrel.
Garbage In/Garbage Out
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/user/nutnfancy
He will tell you what you need. Seeing as you can't be bothered to decide by yourself.
Geo. T.
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My choice was!
rand new forum member here. I must say the tone of some of the replies were ,Well never mind.
I was facing your decision four years ago. I was currently without an AR. I have owned a few that were heavy barrel target models one with a removable carry handle. I was looking for a lighter more compact rifle.
I went with the M&P OR (optical Ready) that has a rail milled into the upper and no sights. It has a 16 inch barrel in a 1 in 9 twist and the collapsible rear stock. The barrel is chrome lined. The accuracy with this rifle has exceeded my expectations by a large margin. I have EO Tech sight and a Nikon scope that I shoot it with.
It is the least picky .223 / 5.56 I have ever seen. It shoots Mil Spec ammo and commercial in bullet weights without a single one up to 68 grains that does not group very well. I have loaded bullets as light as 40 grains but I mostly shoot 52 grain match and 55 grain soft points. They all do well.
So far I have resisted the temptation to load her down with every option known to man. Thus it is still what I was looking for a light handy rifle that shoots very well and will cycle without a hitch as long as I clean her from time to time.
I think your looking in the right place. My M&P shoots better than many of my friends rifles at twice the price. S&W does not make a firearm that is not able to perform as advertised. Their prices are quite reasonable as long as you look around a little. Good luck with you decision. I use a scope quite often thus I prefer no iron sights. Geo. T. [/B
rand new forum member here. I must say the tone of some of the replies were ,Well never mind.
I was facing your decision four years ago. I was currently without an AR. I have owned a few that were heavy barrel target models one with a removable carry handle. I was looking for a lighter more compact rifle.
I went with the M&P OR (optical Ready) that has a rail milled into the upper and no sights. It has a 16 inch barrel in a 1 in 9 twist and the collapsible rear stock. The barrel is chrome lined. The accuracy with this rifle has exceeded my expectations by a large margin. I have EO Tech sight and a Nikon scope that I shoot it with.
It is the least picky .223 / 5.56 I have ever seen. It shoots Mil Spec ammo and commercial in bullet weights without a single one up to 68 grains that does not group very well. I have loaded bullets as light as 40 grains but I mostly shoot 52 grain match and 55 grain soft points. They all do well.
So far I have resisted the temptation to load her down with every option known to man. Thus it is still what I was looking for a light handy rifle that shoots very well and will cycle without a hitch as long as I clean her from time to time.
I think your looking in the right place. My M&P shoots better than many of my friends rifles at twice the price. S&W does not make a firearm that is not able to perform as advertised. Their prices are quite reasonable as long as you look around a little. Good luck with you decision. I use a scope quite often thus I prefer no iron sights. Geo. T. [/B
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lonestar outlaw
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GeoT I just got back from my local gunshop and actually looked at the OR as well as the sport
I just want one to shoot for fun and no way interested in contest competition
I just want one to shoot for fun and no way interested in contest competition
gunny4053
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See, that wasn't so hard. You want one for fun. Get a Sport, economically priced, all the features you need, nothing you don't. Spare mags and lots of ammo, everything else you'll figure out once you pull the trigger.
Good Luck and good shooting.
Good Luck and good shooting.
sgtsandman
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I'm with gunny4053. Since you are looking for a piece to have some fun with, go with the Sport. Get familiar with the platform and decide from there if you want more or are happy with what you have.
cyphertext
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Ok, so you have narrowed it down a little more and now we know what you want it for and a price range...
Between those two models, the differences are...
1. The OR has a forward assist and ejection port cover, the Sport does not. This does not matter one bit for range and sporting use, and is debatable for other uses... however, if you want your rifle to look like GI Joe's, the Sport is out (without modification).
2. The Sport comes with sights, the OR does not. You can shoot the Sport right out of the box, the OR requires you to purchase sights or some type of optic. If you plan to add a scope and shoot from the bench, you may prefer the OR, since it does not have the fixed front sight tower, but with a 4x magnification or higher you won't see the front sight in the scope.
3. The hand guards in the OR have heat shields, the Sport does not.
4. The OR has a chrome lined barrel, the Sport has a salt nitride bath treated barrel. Bottom line, both have treatment to protect from corrosion and increased barrel life over a non-treated barrel.
5. The Sport has a fixed, enlarged trigger guard that is integral to the lower, the OR has the standard, hinged straight guard that can be changed.
Both have collapsible stock, railed receiver, 1:9 twist barrels made from the same type of steel...
Out of those two, which one would I go with? The cheaper one... but include money for sights, unless you are going to use optics only. Anything, outside of adding the ejection port cover and forward assist to the Sport, can be easily changed to your liking.
Between those two models, the differences are...
1. The OR has a forward assist and ejection port cover, the Sport does not. This does not matter one bit for range and sporting use, and is debatable for other uses... however, if you want your rifle to look like GI Joe's, the Sport is out (without modification).
2. The Sport comes with sights, the OR does not. You can shoot the Sport right out of the box, the OR requires you to purchase sights or some type of optic. If you plan to add a scope and shoot from the bench, you may prefer the OR, since it does not have the fixed front sight tower, but with a 4x magnification or higher you won't see the front sight in the scope.
3. The hand guards in the OR have heat shields, the Sport does not.
4. The OR has a chrome lined barrel, the Sport has a salt nitride bath treated barrel. Bottom line, both have treatment to protect from corrosion and increased barrel life over a non-treated barrel.
5. The Sport has a fixed, enlarged trigger guard that is integral to the lower, the OR has the standard, hinged straight guard that can be changed.
Both have collapsible stock, railed receiver, 1:9 twist barrels made from the same type of steel...
Out of those two, which one would I go with? The cheaper one... but include money for sights, unless you are going to use optics only. Anything, outside of adding the ejection port cover and forward assist to the Sport, can be easily changed to your liking.
In the scheme of things, the extra 400 or 500 you spend on the gun is minimal compared to the ammo youll burn through. Ill never buy the sport because i want he dust cover. FA i dont care, just seems unnatursl without dust cover
cyphertext
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Why does it seem unnatural without a ejection port cover? How many other semi auto firearms do you have that have one?
It's funny that you say this. On my VTAC II I have a dust cover and I never use it. Not a whole lotta dust in the Midwest. And I have only used my forward assist once. ( I pulled back the BCG slightly to make sure that there was a round in the barrel, Used the FA to bring it back to battery. )
Kadonny
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Get a Sport, be done with it.
ibewbull
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I have noticed the trend has been to heavy over accessorized unrealistic foolishness.
Lights, lasers , scopes , the list goes on.
Go look at the availability in your price range and shoulder the weapon.
See what it feels like.
The last AR type I got SR 5.56 had 3 plus pounds of junk hung on it.
Now it has an electronic Eotech knock off scope and that is it.
The weapon is still heavier than my ols SP 1 Colt.
If you want a 10 pound gun get an HK 91 and make the weight be worth it.
All in all if you can not get on target you will not make the shot.
Time and balance matter.
PS
Nothing fits me better than my 99 .300 Savage.
Lights, lasers , scopes , the list goes on.
Go look at the availability in your price range and shoulder the weapon.
See what it feels like.
The last AR type I got SR 5.56 had 3 plus pounds of junk hung on it.
Now it has an electronic Eotech knock off scope and that is it.
The weapon is still heavier than my ols SP 1 Colt.
If you want a 10 pound gun get an HK 91 and make the weight be worth it.
All in all if you can not get on target you will not make the shot.
Time and balance matter.
PS
Nothing fits me better than my 99 .300 Savage.
spad124
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I'm primarily a revolver person also as far as S&Ws. Like you I wanted a good AR just for range use but wanted a quality firearm. I first bought an AR assembled from revived milsurp M16 parts with a new barrel on an AR15 lower receiver so it was legal. Not a very quality firearm due to the new parts. I sold that and bought a M&P Sport. There is a world of difference between something assembled and an AR designed so as to function as one unit. For range and fun use you won't miss the ejection port cover or forward assist (if the bolt won't close on a round forcing the round in the chamber can result in another problem, IMO. Just eject the bad round and chamber another).
Regardless of the money the Sport is a reliable and accurate gun. Keep using the iron sights it comes with until you decide if you want optics or a different iron sight option.
I've only made two changes to my Sport in 3 years. I changed the original rear sight for an adjustable A2 style sight and put on handguards with built in heat shields. Otherwise it looks the same, has stayed lightweight and fun to shoot.
Regardless of the money the Sport is a reliable and accurate gun. Keep using the iron sights it comes with until you decide if you want optics or a different iron sight option.
I've only made two changes to my Sport in 3 years. I changed the original rear sight for an adjustable A2 style sight and put on handguards with built in heat shields. Otherwise it looks the same, has stayed lightweight and fun to shoot.
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Consider getting one with a free float handguard like a quad rail or Keymod. This will allow you to have a folding front sight and chose from an array of different grips, lights, sling mounts and other things.
If you don't know anything about ARs, I'd spend some time at a range talking to guys about their ARs. Much better to get a idea of what you want.
If you don't know anything about ARs, I'd spend some time at a range talking to guys about their ARs. Much better to get a idea of what you want.
eyegots2no
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I have not kept up with what S&W makes in the way of AR's but I will give you my 2 cents about AR's in general.
1. Barrel weight/thickness. For a general purpose or Combat style short AR----it is ridiculous for an AR or any 223 to weigh almost as much as a 308, hence, the thin barrels are best or the semi thin barrels like on the commandos (see the cut for the 203) is ok. RRA made an elite ops that was a neat gun but it had a thick barrel---gun was heavy so to me it was a waist of the rest of the components.
2. Flat-top. This is the way to go. You can put the holographics or a scope real easy and makes the AR a much better machine. I only hate it that so many maker leave that old style high front sight on it.---so.
3. Front sight block. What I would desire is to have a gas block with the picatinny slots that are even with the receiver picatinny so you can utilize flip up back-up iron sights. Put the sights on the gun and have them if your scope or holographic goes bad. Unfortunately--finding a model with the appropriate gas block and NOT the old 16 style triangle high front sight may be a chore. I saw where Wyndum had a short AR with an appropriate gas block---but I have not noticed anyone else with such gas block except RRA--- but--- RRA will not use the skinny light barrel.
4. Gas impingement. This piston hoopla is ---I believe---just unnecessary. If you get piston type----it will be particular to THAT MAKE. If your need repair and "xyz" company is gone or out of parts or they cost as much as the original purchase price of the whole rifle---well, you get the picture. Standard AR gas system will always be easier to fix or replace---and it works just fine.
IMHO.
Good Luck.
1. Barrel weight/thickness. For a general purpose or Combat style short AR----it is ridiculous for an AR or any 223 to weigh almost as much as a 308, hence, the thin barrels are best or the semi thin barrels like on the commandos (see the cut for the 203) is ok. RRA made an elite ops that was a neat gun but it had a thick barrel---gun was heavy so to me it was a waist of the rest of the components.
2. Flat-top. This is the way to go. You can put the holographics or a scope real easy and makes the AR a much better machine. I only hate it that so many maker leave that old style high front sight on it.---so.
3. Front sight block. What I would desire is to have a gas block with the picatinny slots that are even with the receiver picatinny so you can utilize flip up back-up iron sights. Put the sights on the gun and have them if your scope or holographic goes bad. Unfortunately--finding a model with the appropriate gas block and NOT the old 16 style triangle high front sight may be a chore. I saw where Wyndum had a short AR with an appropriate gas block---but I have not noticed anyone else with such gas block except RRA--- but--- RRA will not use the skinny light barrel.
4. Gas impingement. This piston hoopla is ---I believe---just unnecessary. If you get piston type----it will be particular to THAT MAKE. If your need repair and "xyz" company is gone or out of parts or they cost as much as the original purchase price of the whole rifle---well, you get the picture. Standard AR gas system will always be easier to fix or replace---and it works just fine.
IMHO.
Good Luck.
Dezfan
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I have faith that eventually someone over here will get it right.
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