wetdog1911
Member
I would like to see more.
Just think of this ... The last president who actually saw combat was H.W.Bush, then think of all those who have come after and where our country is now.
Rob
Captain Crozier!
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I would like to see more.
Just think of this ... The last president who actually saw combat was H.W.Bush, then think of all those who have come after and where our country is now.
Rob
Frank46
US Veteran
I can only guess that enlistments on the TR will nosedive after this.The navy needs every qualified sailor that they can get.Read somewhere that the navy was short 2800 billets and that was months ago. Plus constant deployments, wear and tear on the ships themselves and deferred repairs. Seems like they are doing the same things they did during the Vietnam War. Enlistments were almost nothing and ratings like Machinists Mate and Boiler Tenders along with some others were designated as Critical. I know for a fact that in late 65 to67 we could not fill out a full watch schedule. I spent the last full year of my enlistment standing 6on and 6 off standing lube oil pump watches in #1 engine room. When it came time for my enlistment to expire they delayed it as long as they could because there was no one to fill that slot. Sounds crazy but I assure you it happened. Frank
SASABERANGER
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
Admiral on The Roosevelt
Unless the Roosevelt was operating as the Flagship at the time of this Flap there was no Flag Officer Aboard.
During workups and sea/air qualifications there is no flag present.
I have not seen any evidence that the CO's request was routed outside of his Chain of Command.
I do not know what Sec Nav's motives were in relieving the CO and I certainly do not agree with his assessment of the Captain.
I served on two carriers during my service from 1964-1985. One was built in WWII (CVS-15) and the other in the Cold War Era (CV-62). Neither ship was equipped to handle what we are seeing today. Had either been exposed to Covid-19 they would have looked like NYC at the height of the pandemic. And none of the Carrier COs I served under had the following that Capt. Crozier seems to have from his crew.
It is easy being on the outside and looking in while trying to guess what was happening.
In my estimation Captain Crozier made the right choice and put his crew first. Without the crew the ship is just a big hunk of steel.
Hopefully the Sec Def will do the right thing and return him to his command.
Thom Braxton
AXC USN Ret (1964-1985)
SWCA #1474
Unless the Roosevelt was operating as the Flagship at the time of this Flap there was no Flag Officer Aboard.
During workups and sea/air qualifications there is no flag present.
I have not seen any evidence that the CO's request was routed outside of his Chain of Command.
I do not know what Sec Nav's motives were in relieving the CO and I certainly do not agree with his assessment of the Captain.
I served on two carriers during my service from 1964-1985. One was built in WWII (CVS-15) and the other in the Cold War Era (CV-62). Neither ship was equipped to handle what we are seeing today. Had either been exposed to Covid-19 they would have looked like NYC at the height of the pandemic. And none of the Carrier COs I served under had the following that Capt. Crozier seems to have from his crew.
It is easy being on the outside and looking in while trying to guess what was happening.
In my estimation Captain Crozier made the right choice and put his crew first. Without the crew the ship is just a big hunk of steel.
Hopefully the Sec Def will do the right thing and return him to his command.
Thom Braxton
AXC USN Ret (1964-1985)
SWCA #1474
cougar14
US Veteran
I suspect this will be unpopular, but over the years, MANY commanding officers have been relieved from their command when they did nothing wrong or could have prevented it. None of these officers were ever reinstated, most either were forced to retire, or put in front of a desk until they did. Even if Cpt. Crozier did what you believe to be the right thing, I think the best thing for ALL would be some type of equivalent position with the clear intention of his possibility of advancing in rank be put in place. I stand ready to be keelhauled.
Men who may have to sacrifice themselves on the decisions of their commander should know that is a two-way street. Crozier passed that test.
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
I'm not saying at all you're wrong. And this is likely how it would go IF this hadn't blown up with off-the-cuff commentary and tweets from the C-in-C and barely disguised dissensions within the naval and civilian bureaucracy at the top, resulting in a very public humiliation of the acting Secretary of the Navy and his resignation.
I think precedent is out the window, and how this should and would normally be handled by the Navy isn't much help in determining the outcome here.
It is a shame the guy at the top of the chain of command (that very stable genius that runs the whole show) didn't step in and save the Navy a lot of bad press and get the ship the aid it needed, and shut this whole mess down.
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