Captain Crozier!
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ol777gunnerz
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Disappointed in a lot of the answers on here, seems to show too many officers care little for the men, dispite all the hoorah about supporting our troops which clearly, they do not. Custer was at odds with most of his officers & men, look where it got him.
I doubt any will know Croziers name a 140 years later!
During my time in the USMC it was all about Chain of Command. In the immediate case it seems we do not have all the facts so I hold any judgement. That said, I wonder how and why his letter (several pages) ended up in the public domain.
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Absalom
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Probably not. But in the shorter timeframe, he still came out the hero in the public mind. The reports out of D.C. are pretty clear by now that this was a political decision overriding the top brass. The inept way in which the Pentagon handled this (however formally justified) is going to make sure Crozier will be remembered as "the captain who sacrificed his career out of concern for his men". Those videos of the crew cheering him aren't going away. Certainly better than losing your command because your ship rams a tanker while you're asleep.
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I've not seen any of these "reports coming out of DC". Could you please post the articles and references you're citing as sources of this information?
I also haven't seen any stories declaring this person a hero.
I also haven't seen any stories declaring this person a hero.
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I must wonder, with "the Virus" being know at the time, why did the Captain allow his men to go ashore?
muddocktor
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I just read that Captain Crozier has tested positive for Covid 19 himself on the New York Times. I didn't get to read through the whole article before they blanked me out and wanted me to make an account, which I refuse to do. So I won't link to the article, but you can google it yourself with "Captain Crozier Covid 19" and it will be one of the first links the search will bring up.
I hope you pull through this disease OK, Captain Crozier.
I hope you pull through this disease OK, Captain Crozier.
muddocktor
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I found another site, the Military Times, that has thie story about Captain Crozier having tested positive for Covid 19.
Here is the link to the Military Times for you all.
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Here is the link to the Military Times for you all.
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From the NYT:
Navy Captain Removed From Carrier Tests Positive for Covid-19
Captain Crozier was fired after a leak of a letter he had emailed to Navy leaders detailing the service's failures in dealing with a coronavirus outbreak on the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt.
By John Ismay
April 5, 2020
Updated 1:01 p.m. ET
Capt. Brett E. Crozier, the Navy captain who was removed from command of the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, has tested positive for Covid-19, according to two Naval Academy classmates of Crozier's who are close to him and his family.
A Navy spokesman declined to comment on Crozier's Covid status.
The commander began exhibiting symptoms before he was removed from the warship on Thursday, two of his classmates said. Crozier was fired following a leak to The San Francisco Chronicle of a letter he had emailed to Navy leaders that detailed the failures on the service's part to provide the necessary resources to swiftly move sailors off the carrier and disinfect areas on board as the virus spread through the ship.
Thomas B. Modly, the acting secretary of the Navy, said he had lost confidence in Crozier's ability to command the ship effectively as it dealt with the evolving crisis after Crozier sent the letter on an unclassified email system to 20 to 30 people. Sending such a letter, Modly said, caused unnecessary alarm about the operational readiness of the ship and undermined the chain of command. "In sending it out pretty broadly, he did not take care to ensure that it couldn't be leaked," Modly said. "And that's part of his responsibility."
In a briefing Saturday, President Trump offered support for Modly's decision. "He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," the president said of Crozier. "I thought it was terrible what he did."
Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" that there were 155 confirmed cases of Covid-19 among sailors aboard the aircraft carrier, and that more than half of the ship had been tested. So far there have been no hospitalizations.
Navy Captain Removed From Carrier Tests Positive for Covid-19
Captain Crozier was fired after a leak of a letter he had emailed to Navy leaders detailing the service's failures in dealing with a coronavirus outbreak on the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt.
By John Ismay
April 5, 2020
Updated 1:01 p.m. ET
Capt. Brett E. Crozier, the Navy captain who was removed from command of the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, has tested positive for Covid-19, according to two Naval Academy classmates of Crozier's who are close to him and his family.
A Navy spokesman declined to comment on Crozier's Covid status.
The commander began exhibiting symptoms before he was removed from the warship on Thursday, two of his classmates said. Crozier was fired following a leak to The San Francisco Chronicle of a letter he had emailed to Navy leaders that detailed the failures on the service's part to provide the necessary resources to swiftly move sailors off the carrier and disinfect areas on board as the virus spread through the ship.
Thomas B. Modly, the acting secretary of the Navy, said he had lost confidence in Crozier's ability to command the ship effectively as it dealt with the evolving crisis after Crozier sent the letter on an unclassified email system to 20 to 30 people. Sending such a letter, Modly said, caused unnecessary alarm about the operational readiness of the ship and undermined the chain of command. "In sending it out pretty broadly, he did not take care to ensure that it couldn't be leaked," Modly said. "And that's part of his responsibility."
In a briefing Saturday, President Trump offered support for Modly's decision. "He shouldn't be talking that way in a letter," the president said of Crozier. "I thought it was terrible what he did."
Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" that there were 155 confirmed cases of Covid-19 among sailors aboard the aircraft carrier, and that more than half of the ship had been tested. So far there have been no hospitalizations.
Here's Captain Crozier's letter that has been in the news:
No wonder he got fired so fast...He was lecturing and attempting to shame his Superiors. An effective letter would have been no more than 1.5 pages, and left out all the lecturing. That and back dooring his immediate Commander isn't something I'd expect from a guy in charge of a Nuclear Carrier with 5,000 crew.
I might consider his infection into this, but the whole thing seems to lean towards a guy who just lost his composure in the face of a bad situation.
It's almost as if he wanted to P*** O** everyone in his CoC, and he had to know what the result would be...He was the first Sailor off that Ship.
I might consider his infection into this, but the whole thing seems to lean towards a guy who just lost his composure in the face of a bad situation.
It's almost as if he wanted to P*** O** everyone in his CoC, and he had to know what the result would be...He was the first Sailor off that Ship.
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Thomas B. Modly, the acting secretary of the Navy, said he had lost confidence in Crozier's ability to command the ship effectively as it dealt with the evolving crisis after Crozier sent the letter on an unclassified email system to 20 to 30 people.
That's what got him fired.
If he'd just routed the message up the chain of command, he'd
likely still be in command.
That's what got him fired.
If he'd just routed the message up the chain of command, he'd
likely still be in command.
Per the articles I linked in posts 5 and 23, he did inform his superiors, and wrote and sent the letter only after he came to believe they were not going go take action.
His firing, per some career uniforms, by civilian, political appointee leadership, is unusual, and undercuts the chain of command.
It is clear to me that Crozier knew what he was doing and knew the likely consequences to his career. He chose his sailors over his chain of command, after his chain of command did not work, in his judgement, to his sailors benefit. It must have been a very hard decision for him.
I think all we can ask of leaders, military or civilian, is that they do their best to do the right thing, regardless of the hits to their careers, popularity, or livelihoods. I believe that is what Crozier did.
His firing, per some career uniforms, by civilian, political appointee leadership, is unusual, and undercuts the chain of command.
It is clear to me that Crozier knew what he was doing and knew the likely consequences to his career. He chose his sailors over his chain of command, after his chain of command did not work, in his judgement, to his sailors benefit. It must have been a very hard decision for him.
I think all we can ask of leaders, military or civilian, is that they do their best to do the right thing, regardless of the hits to their careers, popularity, or livelihoods. I believe that is what Crozier did.
Out of Curiosity, I wonder what all the other ships in the Navy and their Command Staff are doing? Is the TR the only Carrier in the entire Navy with Covid-19 cases? How many other Commanders of other ships followed Cdr Croziers example?
I haven't heard of anything like this from the Air Force, Army, Marines or Coast Guard. Are they free of Covid-19?
I haven't heard of anything like this from the Air Force, Army, Marines or Coast Guard. Are they free of Covid-19?
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As you (and I) know, the Air Force does NOT have the same close-quarters contact and infection risks as hundreds of people stuck on an aircraft carrier.
This is the sort of thing that encourages dads like me to warn their kids away from the military. You are just cannon fodder for tin pot politicians and inept leadership. Don't join.
double-dipper
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Enjoy your retirement CPT Crozier! I presume the chain of command was not reacting fast enough for the good CPT. Ruel #1 don't embarrass your superior officers.
Walter Rego
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There has been way too many leaks of information out of various branches of the government these last few years that invariably end up in the hands of a biased and hostile press who then use said leaks for their own agenda. Crozier knew this would happen when he copied 20-30 people through an unclassified communication system.
He got what he deserved. I hope he didn't let the hatch hit him in his stern upon his disembarkation.
He got what he deserved. I hope he didn't let the hatch hit him in his stern upon his disembarkation.
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