Carolyn McCarthy readying gun control bill-for tomorrow

[stantheman86]

Our only ray of light here is that we voted a lot of anti-gun Politicos out this past November, and thankfully they have just vacated their seats..........the odds of anything passing in a Republican controlled House or Congress is low, but not impossible....and yes, the anti-gun vultures are not only circling, they are starting to feed.........

God bless the family of the 9-year old girl, but I fear she will be made a martyr of the anti-gun movement, her face plastered everywhere "Look what guns did"......

Like I said, I fear a "bone" will be thrown here, as in "let's give the anti-gunners a mag ban" but we all know if we give them ANYthing, they will start grabbing for more.

My other greatest fear, sure, our right to keep and bear arms will not be infringed, but the anti-gun politicians want to dictate what KIND of arms we can keep and bear.......as in "no one says you can't have firearms, but nothing with a capacity above 6 rounds, no handgun with a caliber above .25, a barrel less than 4", any rifle with a bore above .22 in diameter.........."

I heard a guy at my job today say "I don't care if they ban handguns, as long as they don't take my hunting rifle" and I wanted to vomit in his face....I told him, "guess what bud, your "hunting rifle" will become a "hi power sniper weapon, capable of shooting deadly rounds as far as 300 yards or more"........

 

[ladder13]

I have already emailed my senators and speaker boehner. God help us. The anti-gun vultures are circling. I can't believe how they have attacked glenn, rush, and sean. I listen to all of them and have NEVER heard any of them spout hate or violence.

They're in full meltdown since their well deserved drubbing recently. Look for the rhetoric to increase. I think they're making a huge mistake and will pay dearly in 2012.

 

[ladder13]

I heard a guy at my job today say "I don't care if they ban handguns, as long as they don't take my hunting rifle" and I wanted to vomit in his face...

I've been hearing that for years, Stan. I have met the enemy and he is us.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Let's see here; a tragedy happens on Saturday, and there is a completely-written comprehensive gun control bill ready to present to Congress by Tuesday. Sounds to me like someone has been waiting for the pregnant moment to introduce legislation that was written long ago and kept at the ready for the right time.

In 1968 we witnessed the Gun Control Act's adoption in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination by Sirhan Sirhan. Nothing seemed to matter more than "doing something" at that time, and I expect that nothing short of "doing something" will matter now.

Neither common sense nor empirical facts are likely to make any difference, now that the libertards have a hook to hang their hats on.

My 1850's vintage Pennsylvania cap-lock rifle is likely to be categorized as an "assault weapon" soon. After all, the same technology was used in military weapons used during the Civil War and elsewhere!

High-capacity magazines? Why stop at ten rounds, why not three rounds (after all, we have a legal precedent there with the federal waterfowl regulations and all).

Nuts will start falling far from their trees over the next few days and weeks. We may need to wash our cars more frequently due to the effluent discharges soon to be encountered.

My prediction about secondary issues? Well, the young man in question is obviously suffering from mental health issues, probably compounded by listening to Tea Party representatives arguing against common-sense legislation by a benevolent and enlightened administration intent upon creating an America where everyone just wants to give everyone else a good hug. This couldn't possibly be that poor young man's fault, could it? Even his loving family couldn't protect him from the ravages of daytime talk radio, with all of its "hate speech" against the one and only hope for mankind and the universe (our special one-and-only-gift now occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue).

I expect many attacks on many fronts, none of which portend well for individual liberties. I will be visiting with my financial advisor about a self-directed IRA investing in hi-cap magazines and ammunition; both likely to be good investments over the next several years.

 

[Pasifikawv]

Speaking on the Today Show about his daughter's tragic death at the hands of a lone killer:

"In a free society, we will be subject to people like this, but I prefer this to the alternative."

Wow. John Green could have taken a page from the gun-grabber playbook and railed against the Second Amendment and blamed the gun instead of the killer. Instead, this suffering father acknowledged that even his own tragic loss isn't too high a price to pay for freedoms we enjoy as Americans. To display such strength and devotion to American's freedom and the American way of of life during such a tramatic time is a tribute to his character and love of country - especially when such greif often makes one seek to blame anything and everything for such terrible loss. Wow...

 

[stantheman86]

That's the whole point, bad people do bad things no matter what.........I am one of the most fervent pro-gun people you will ever meet, but who knows, some maniac might walk into my job tomorrow and start shooting the place up. Or he might stab me, or throw a cue ball at my head.....let's all walk around wearing helmets and padded suits, lest one of us ever get injured. We can all live in a gun free society,the cops can carry only a nerf bat and pepper spray,we can drive electric bumper cars that go 10 mph., outlaw alcohol, end all drug use, and develop mind reading technology to get crazy people "the help they need" immediately before they hurt someone..........

4 people were hit and seriously injured by a hit and run, drunk driver near where I live.......I don't see anyone screaming to ban alcohol and cars.......another guy was beaten with a baseball bat and slashed with a knife, so let's ban bats and knives too.......

 

[Pasifikawv]

That's the whole point, bad people do bad things no matter what..........

I get it, you get it, John Green - even thru tremendous grief - apparently gets it. Yet the Brady Bunch and their ilk still don't get it and likely never will. I am hopeful that level heads will prevail in the weeks and months ahead and that anti-gun folks will stop exploitng his daughter's (and others) death.

 

[oldman45]

I am on the other side from the Brady, Schummer, McCarthy, Feinstein and all the other anti gun people.

Yet those people are driven by tragedy. They were raised in areas where guns are not a part of the culture but part of the crime. The only time they see or hear about a gun is after a crime.

Notice those in power from areas that are pro hunting and having a large gun owning population are not writing laws against guns.

I am not taking up for them but merely offering a reason for their feelings.

Mrs Sarah Brady is making a lot of money from her actions. I have heard figures up to $10,000 each time she wheels her husband across a stage at a anti gun rally. Her speeches are never at a public arena in Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Mobile or such. Those places are pro gun. Her money is made in San Diego, NYC, Detroit, Pittsburgh and other places with little interest in guns but large populations of citizens that can be swayed.

Someone needs to calmly speak with these people and take them shooting while having enough reserve to keep from using them as a target. Introduce them to the sport.

 

[lagavulin62]

driving to work yesterday I listened to an interview with cogressman ted poe(r. texas). in a nutshell he stated how this was unnecessary to be presenting legistlation designed to take advantage of a tragedy, particularly any gun restrictions and restrictions to free speech and the like. when asked about his safety he stated he would not take measures to tighten security or shy away from public appearances. pretty much he would not allow an isolated incident to dicatate how he does business and that he feels congressmen have a responsibility to act accordingly. I thought those were encouraging words. it's good to know some of our representatives understand the duties of those who are willing to serve in the land of "the BRAVE and the FREE".

 

[badguybuster]

These knee jerk laws are what truely remove our liberties. They capitalize on emotion instead of common sense. Would the tragedy have been any less horrific if the guy used a samurai sword instead?? Look at how often in Japan you hear of some lunatic entering a day care with a sword and hacking people to death. Happened at least twice last year.

 

[stantheman86]

Ban guns and ammo and there will be a skyrocketing increase in stabbings and baseball bat beatings...........

 

[DonD]

So which part of the Constitution covers the bill this lady wants to introduce?

It doesn't have to be logical for McCarthy to push it. Her husband was shot by some mentally ill creep who violated numerous gun laws so she has made it her life's goal to deprive the law abiding of their guns. Don

 

[Gunfighter9]

The simple fact is that even if we had no firearms in the hands of citizens in this country, that wacko would have found another method. If it hadn't been a gun it could as easily have been a bomb. Doesn't take too much savy to make simple explosives, just google it and I'm sure you'll come up with detailed instructions.

In studying Criminology I have come to one simple conclusion. Gun laws have very little impact on actual crime rates. Most research whether they advocate or oppose gun control is biased and lacks enough evidence to show correlation let alone causality. Furthermore, violent crime is vastly over rated by the media. The reality is that we live in a relatively safe country. We are much more likely to be victims of identity theft than to be shot. You are also exponentially much more likely to be hit by a drunk driver than shot, but I don't see any rush to ban alcohol, or cars.

Using sociological research of any kind to defend our rights is an incorrect path to take. This is akin to the battle of experts that frequently plays out in American courts. We should not hedge such important decisions on the whims of social researchers, most of whom are solely academics with little if any connection to life outside a college campus.

I have often wondered if anyone has ever given thought to why the right to bear arms was the 2nd Amendment. Perhaps the order in which they appear was a ranking of importance made by the Founding Father's?

If you really want to be safe, then start paying attention to your surroundings. Be prepared to defend yourself. Be prepared to make a hasty exit if the need arrises. Stop relying on the Police to keep you safe. They can't be every where, and when seconds count they are only minutes away.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families of this tragedy. I hope that calmer heads prevail in congress and we don't see any reduction in our civil liberties as a result of this crime.

 

[rz625-8]

I wasted $40.00 bucks for a 31 rounder Scherer mag. WHAT A PIECE OF JUNK. Would not stay in the G17 I have worth crap and am about ready to sell it for more than I paid for it. Let some one else have the troubles with it.

 

[tdan]

<As deeply as I regret this whole tragedy, it could have been prevented if Rep. Giffords had merely held her event at the local courthouse -- and had participants pass through metal detectors.

Why should a political event have less standard security than the local airport?

As much as I hate to say it, she made some bad decisions -- just as JFK did.>

Outriders analysis is pretty much spot on IMHO. In this day and age, public figures need to have a security plan in place for interaction with their constituency. I'm thinking that the bare minimum would be at least some staff members with a concealed carry permit. Tragedies like this always seem to open the doors for the anti-gun crowd to scream for more controls. The reality is that if an armed citizen was at the scene, death and injury by this psychotic loon would have been minimized. My understanding from news reports, is that there was an armed citizen near the scene. The perp had already been disarmed and tackled before this person would have had a chance to intervene. Perhaps, if more citizens were armed............INTERVENTION WOULD HAVE BEEN SOONER!!!

Sam Colt's words of "an armed society is a polite society" could not be more applicable considering the times we all live in.

 

[Gunfighter9]

Could Rep. Giffords have been more careful? Of course. Should she have been more careful? In hindsight yes. However, events like this one are extremely rare despite what the media wants us to believe. Media sensationalism about crime is so rampant that some criminology authors even identify it as a fallacy. We can play the what if game all day long, but in the end what is important is that we learn from this event. Do public officials need to be more careful? It would appear so. However, I don't want to have to pass a full background check, drug test, and psych evaluation in order to speak to or hear from every single government official. People in the public eye must accept that there is an element of danger involved with such positions. I agree she could have picked a more secure location, but that defeats the purpose of being accessible to your constituents. The last thing we need are legislators who are even more withdrawn from the public than they already are.

 

[luangtom]

Rep. McCarthy has never come out and said what the results on that fateful train ride would have been had just one citizen on it been allowed to legally carry their own handgun. Would the perp that killed her husband have been able to reload and keep firing? I am sure it would not be PC to ask her either. It is a question that she will never respond to.

When is legislation going to be passed to make citizens safer from malpractice physicians? Far more die from malpractice annually than from firearms. Yet, these are numbers the public is fed as being acceptable and part of the risk one takes when being treated by a physician. Why is this acceptable?

It is time to go on the offensive in Congress and not always be willing to defend and to compromise. Maybe we need to elect people that are not always PC in their statements and actions.

 

[Gunfighter9]

With regard to the 2nd Amendment we have already compromised too much. We allowed automatic weapons to be heavily regulated and yet criminals can still get them with relative ease. Bans on high capacity magazines during the Clinton years did nothing to stop gang members from killing each other across the country. The only result of gun control is that it has been used to punish law abiding citizens for the actions of the criminal element of society. We need to draw a line in the sand and then push that line further and further back.

Everyone always wants to know why some criminal does something. Well folks I have worked in Corrections for 2 years and I have a BS in criminology and Criminal justice. I have seen first hand the criminal mind at work. To be blunt, they just don't view things the same way we do. That goes for even your petty theives and drug offenders. Its even more true for wackos like this nut job from Tucson. Trying to figure out why criminals do what they do is a waste of time. Furthermore, assuming that new laws will deter criminal behavior is ludicrous. Murder, rape, theft, assault, burglary, and drug possession have been illegal for a very long time, but those crimes continue to happen. Deterence only works on the willing, and those who are willing to commit one crime, i.e. murder, are not going to care about whether or not using a gun with a certain magazine capacity is legal or not.

 

[walnutred]

I disagree with some of you. Something was seriously broke in the system that this criminal was not picked up on sooner. As much as I dislike Obama, he or any other politician should be able to do a meet and greet without undue fear from their fellow Americans.

It took a long time for us to get this bad and I don't know what the answer is. Obviously the solution is NOT magazine restriction, metal detectors etc.

 

[b52buff]

All of you have very good points. Gun laws are made to make it harder for the sportsman to enjoy their sport ( hunting, shooting etc ) and the good citizen to protect themslves from the criminal. The criminal don't care about the laws. If they want to kill someone they will whether it be a gun, knife, lead pipe, rope or a car. This guy in AZ could have used a car then what would the far left do outlaw cars?

It seems like any event should have the local police present but in a lot of places they have let policemen and firemen go because of the need of money. Well, if our leaders were to stop wasting our money our streets would be safer! It is the job of our local, state and federal leaders to help make us safe!