Carry Ammo Survey -- Factory or Reloads?

[gwalchmai]

I passed the bar exam with flying colors!!!

Great! So then you accept full liability for the legal advice you are handing out in this thread, yes? Remember, no one is anonymous on the web.

 

[ajpelz]

What legal advice is that? Discussion on an internet forum, not legal advice...

You think everything a lawyer ever says or writes is legal advice?

 

[rather-b-huntin]

I carry factory "on the street" and handloads "in the woods".

In town I'd most likely encounter a human threat and would rather not have to deal with any futher legal issues. In the wilderness, where I may have to defend myself against predators both two and four-legged, I carry handloads. Mainly because I can construct a heavy duty load for less money. And knowing that "out there" I'll likely be shooting an animal, it's not as big of concern to me as it is in the city when it comes to any legal issues (though I guess it probably should be).

Some have mentioned on this thread that they feel more comfortable with the reliability of factory over their own handloads? To which I say you need to reflect upon your own capabilities. No way do I trust any ammo a factory can produce and "quality control" over that of my own assembly. I KNOW that each and every one of my rounds is assembled as precisley as it can be. I've had duds' from factorys, not from my own hands. They make ammo for everyone. I make it for me.

 

[gwalchmai]

What legal advice is that? Discussion on an internet forum, not legal advice...

You think everything a lawyer ever says or writes is legal advice?

Me personally, no. I can't speak for a jury, though...

A statement like "Living in AZ, where the Fish case took place, one of the most gun friendly states, (we can carry concealed in bars here, legally) a homicide is NEVER justified when there is a single UNARMED attacker. Period. If a 220 pound unarmed man is violently beating a 100 pound female, deadly force is not justified" from an average citizen is a discussion, but from a practicing attorney it may well make a 100 pound female being beaten by a 220 pound male reluctant to use the only protection she has.

Of course, IANAL.

 

[gwalchmai]

In response to

You can read Arizona Ethics Opinion,

97-04: Computer Technology; Internet; Advertising and Solicitation; Confidentiality.

Hope that clears things up.

It doesn't matter.

On one hand we have gun owners afraid to carry handloads because of a remote possibility of a jury ruling against them in a civil case. On the other we have attorneys afraid to discuss the matter on the web because of an equally remote possibility of the jury holding them responsible for their statements.

Silly? You betcha!

 

[uncle norman]

Armed, means capable of causing death or great bodily harm. Ali would no longer be considered armed today because of his physicality, but in his day, absolutely. Mike Tyson is always armed, because he has the ability to cause death or greatly bodily harm with no weapon. Same with other MMA fighters, or highly trained military combatants. Anyone reasonable capable of a quick kill with hands alone = an armed attacker.

This goes back to the force = force rule. Mike Tyson's force with bare hands is deadly, thus, deadly force would be justified.

In Tyson's case you could fear death, great bodily injury or having your ear bitten off!!

 

[uncle norman]

Ali would no longer be considered armed today because of his physicality, but in his day, absolutely.

I know. I'm showing my age. Ali (aka Cassius Clay) was super man in the late 60s. I was in the service with a guy who had tickets for the Ali/Sonny Liston fight in '68 or '69. He didn't even get to his seat before Liston was on his back and out. Ali (aka The Louisville Lip) was and always will be the best.

 

[Noah Zark]

I edited the thread title to "Carry Ammo Survey" and elected not to delete the thread at the OP's request.

This question arises with frequency and this thread serves as a good record of the typical exchange that takes place when the question is asked and re-asked. IMO, the thread serves purpose for posterity.

Carry on,

Noah

 

[josephthreedogs]

Most of the time factory only, but I have been known to use my reloads on occassion.

 

[Dogguy]

I only use factory ammo. I used to handload but I found it to be boring and time-consuming.

 

[Wayne M]

Reloads exclusively.

 

[bmcgilvray]

I have no concerns with use of hand loads for self protection and am willing to use both factory loads and hand loads.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

after 40 plus yrs of reloading, only my loads. as stated earlier, i want to know what is in them. over the years i have had more duds with factory ammo than mine. if i have to use a gun, the last thing i will worry about is what ammo is in it.

I believe that this reasoning is correct. Unfortunately, the facts for (and about) me are different. Early on (over 40 years ago), I made two squib loads, on two different occasions, as I recall. I have revised my procedure and haven't had a repeat. Meanwhile, I have had NO malfunctions with factory CF handgun ammo. So, for most circumstances, it would seem that for me factory wins by a hair.

Also, it used to be that you couldn't get factory ammo with good bullets. Now, you have a hard time choosing. I would still use handloads if I thought mine were better than factory, which they are in CF rifle. For defensive handgun loads, I think that most of the factories have me beat.