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[vigil617]

Good for him and good ending! But is that a "good shoot"? Was he the car owner charged with anything, seems the carjacker was going to drive away with the stolen property. I hope not, but, it seems some jurisdictions would have gone after the shooter?
Steve W

I think the phrase "As soon as the gun was off him" indicates the car owner was being threatened with deadly force until the first moment he was able to safely defend himself and his wife.

 

[sigp220.45]

Good for him and good ending! But is that a "good shoot"? Was he the car owner charged with anything, seems the carjacker was going to drive away with the stolen property. I hope not, but, it seems some jurisdictions would have gone after the shooter?
Steve W

It never even went to the grand jury. My pal was a good shot but not psychic, so he couldn't divine the armed robber's intentions. He took the opportunity to end the situation when it presented itself.

 

[Muss Muggins]

My routine is:
1. CC pistol to truck
2. Get in truck and close door
3. Unholster from body to truck holster
4. Drive to destination
5. Park and re-holster to body
6. Get out and go to destination

Then there's mine:

1: CC pistol to Jeep
2: Check on Jeep gun
3: Go about business

 

[Wise_A]

Yes. I never holster/re-holster while the vehicle is moving and a full size pickup is not confined.

I do get the point of the accident though. Especially a rollover or receiving a drivers side/door hit. The pistol may be dislodged/unholstered in that instance and may become a loss in a fire, depending how bad the door was smashed or where the unholstered pistol made its final stop (under vehicle, thrown from vehicle or unrecoverable, etc.

Well, my point is, you can't stand up. I'd call that a little confined. But remember--I'm coming from a place where OC is a thing I do at the range. When I carry, I just carry concealed, and I picked a gun/holster I can get out while seated. It's even comfortable to drive with if I place it properly.

The thing with the accident is "gun is always with me" versus "I have to remember to take the gun with me". Because if you had a little fender-bender and thought the other guy was crazy, you just wouldn't get out, right? So if you got out, stands to reason you'd think you weren't in danger. And you're all bent out of shape cuz you just had an accident, so...me, I dunno, I figure in such a situation, people are gonna forget it.

All that roll-over and crushed-car stuff...whatcha carryin', man? Cuz in an accident that bad, the deputies can just have my carry gun if they can get my butt out of the burning wreck!

 

[JJEH]

My routine is:
1. CC pistol to truck
2. Get in truck and close door
3. Unholster from body to truck holster
4. Drive to destination
5. Park and re-holster to body
6. Get out and go to destination

This is actually a very bad idea, this is where AD's happen.

Why un-holster in the vehicle? Why un-holster at all? Get a high quality holster that's comfortable all day every day, even in a vehicle. And you still have access to it with a seat belt on, if that's the excuse (at least I have in both of our vehicles).

I have a secure pistol box in the mid console of my truck for whatever reasons, mostly for a back up gun. The gun on my hip never leaves the holster, unless I need it of course.

 

[SA1911]

We have how we carry guns in cars wired. Many of us have been doing it for decades. More importantly, it's highly individualistic with variables involved.

For me, if I'm driving long distance, I'll stuff in between the driver's seat and center console. Regardless, it's always within arm's reach.

The reality is I rarely carry a handgun. But if I do, I can figure out what will work for me, which might not work for another.

A caveat: if you're carrying under a CCW, you'll have to remain consistent with conditions of your permit. And I've heard of near ridiculous CCW conditions; e.g., CCW holder can't allow gun to be seen. Really? What the heck is a permit holder gonna do if a gust of wind blows his shirt up exposing his gun for nanoseconds?

 

[BigBadWolf11B]

JJEH, negligent discharges (there are no accidents unless it's a hardware issue, non-user initiated) only happen when your booger hook is on the bang switch when it shouldn't be.

But some people are that dumb, if that's the point you're making.

 

[Muss Muggins]

JJEH, negligent discharges (there are no accidents unless it's a hardware issue, non-user initiated) only happen when your booger hook is on the bang switch when it shouldn't be.

But some people are that dumb, if that's the point you're making.

No, there are multiple other documented reasons for ND's that don't involve a finger on the trigger. Cord locks on jackets are a significant one, and can occur in exactly the situation you describe as your routine when reholstering in your car . . .

 

[Wise_A]

lulz

Because this has never happened before.

^^Reholstering inside a car. Kydex holster. Guy's dead, btw. His wife and kids had to watch.

^^An old internet fav.

Not all NDs are this:

If you'd like to avoid shooting yourself, don't holster/reholster your gun six times a day. Get one holster that's comfortable to wear, that's accessibly while seated, and stick with it.

 

[JJEH]

AD's, ND's - y'all got the point of my comment.

No, there are multiple other documented reasons for ND's that don't involve a finger on the trigger. Cord locks on jackets are a significant one, and can occur in exactly the situation you describe as your routine when reholstering in your car . . .

Get one holster that's comfortable to wear, that's accessibly while seated, and stick with it.

Thank you two for making it more clear.

 

[SA1911]

I actually worked a bunch of carjackings back in the 90s when they were big news and were made a federal offense.

Not a single one happened by a thug walking up to an occupied car. Even criminals realize there are guns in there, and also all you need to do is hit that long skinny pedal on the right and off you go.

All the ones I worked happened as a driver approached the car. Then its gun in the face, keys please, and there goes your car and your gun strapped to the steering column.

One of my buddies got carjacked (almost) as he and his pregnant wife walked up to their car at their DC apartment complex. The guy with the gun got the key, got into the car, and then used his gun hand to go from PARK to DRIVE. As soon as the gun was off him, my pal drew his issued 226 and let fly. He shot the bejeebus out of his own car and ventilated the 19 year-old-used-to-be-carjacker, who he pulled out of the car and sat with until he died.

I know there are carjackings where someone runs up to your car while you sit there with your foot on the gas and your hand on your new Governor, but in my experience they aren't the norm.

One of our brethren darn near ascended to heaven after he contacted a person who matched the description of one of two carjackers (CA Penal Code Section 215). They had murdered a young mother during the attempted carjacking. The suspects were male, black, mid-20's. They were out of LA. My good friend and our brother cop was black. He told me the description didn't quite match. As soon as he took his hand off of his gun, the suspect drew his and shot our brother cop approx an inch below his vest. That round did flat line him. Surgeons saved his life.

The point is the uninitiated must never underestimate the danger that carjackings present. A bad guy can have all I have except the lives of my family and my life. If bad guys drive away in my ride, I'm good as long as lead didn't fly. Insurance will buy another car for me. The dead are never resurrected. And cops will catch the bad guys.

I'm very lucky to live in an extremely safe city. 90% of the time, I'm merely retired and living happily. I can't tell you the last time I've had a gun on me even though I have retirement credentials that are good in CA and HR 218.

Knowledge ingrained is never purged. What might appear innocuous to the uninitiated might be potentially deadly actions to trained professionals. Two dudes walking into a store with a third standing outside of a running car that's parked close to a shopping center exit might be conspiracy to commit armed robbery. If a cop is going to fire his duty weapon, armed robbery is the call most likely to require deadly force. Armed robbers are predisposed to commit murder.

I'll never initiate contact. I'm retired. I don't have to do a darn thing. Avoidance is the only known way of assuring that I'll remain vertical. Cops don't have such luxury. They have to contact bad guys who'll kill 'em if they get a chance. Cops in urban areas have luxury of responding en force thereby telling bad guys that resistance is futile. The law, not they will win. 10 cops at a car stop are conveying the palpable message to those inside the car that should the decide to opt for stupid instead of following the program, they will not win. If you see a lot of cops at a car stop, it's safe to assume that they have knowledge that the public doesn't.

Bad guys know that if they attempt to murder a cop or murder a cop, any cop: constable, game warden, city, county, state, federal and manage to escape, every cop in the country will be hunting them. There are probably at least 30,000 city, county, state, and federal cops in LA County, maybe closer to 50,000. If a bad guy harms (or worse) a cop in a no-stop-light town in the deep south and seeks refuge from his homey bangers in LA, every cop in LA County will hunt him down.

 

[SA1911]

BTW, when I wrote that I'll always avoid if I can doesn't imply that I won't get involved in other ways. Should I see behavior that's consistent with a conspiracy to commit armed robbery, I'd be on the phone with dispatch giving descriptions, license plate number, vehicle description, my description (extremely important) and guiding responding cops into the scene in the most safe manner; e.g., least likely to be detected by bad guys and with most barriers.

If my kids are with me, I'd get them the heck out of danger. They'll always be my primary priority.

 

[SA1911]

No, there are multiple other documented reasons for ND's that don't involve a finger on the trigger. Cord locks on jackets are a significant one, and can occur in exactly the situation you describe as your routine when reholstering in your car . . .

^^^Excellent advice^^^

I rarely if ever have a gun in a holster that's attached to me while driving. If I have a gun with me while driving, it's tucked between the driver's seat and center console. It's a lot quicker to access that way.

 

[BigBadWolf11B]

^^^^^ Good point on either on body in holster or off body in holster in the vehicle.

I like that. That may be a better option, for me personally.