Cast Bullets coated or lubed?

Myself, I could care less what someone uses in their pistols/revolvers/rifles.

What surprising to me is how little the people that have been casting bullets for decades actually know about the "mechanics" of a traditionally cast/lubed bullet. Let alone how those mechanics apply to a coated bullet.
 
The only thing I can add is that storage of coated in any temperatures should not effect the coating. I can't say the same about lubes.

I cast pistol bullets and sort and coat them. It takes about an hour to do 150 9mm. I then run the coated bullets through a drop through sizing die on an arbor press and they are ready to load. For me it is quicker than lube sizing when I consider changing dies and filling with lube.
 
I have never used coated bullets, so I have nothing specific to suggest. However to inject a little levity . . . .

My cousin uses coated bullets in his 45-70. Red color. Big red bullets in shiny brass 45-70 cases look a lot like a lady's lipstick. He's not amused when asked why he brings lipstick to a gun club.
 
I have never used coated bullets, so I have nothing specific to suggest. However to inject a little levity . . . .

My cousin uses coated bullets in his 45-70. Red color. Big red bullets in shiny brass 45-70 cases look a lot like a lady's lipstick. He's not amused when asked why he brings lipstick to a gun club.
For the kiss of death of course
 
Looks like you guys need to do more work with your load development. Got all the fancy tools/toys & high $$$$ custom guns. And that's all you come up with???

Bought a $500 beater 629 at a gunshow years ago to use as a truck gun. When it isn't bouncing around in the toolbox in the back of the truck it gets a steady diet of blammo ammo.

1 of it's favorite loads:
a cast (8/9bhn) 250gr fn hp with 11.5grs of unique (.2gr under max/1250fps) 6-shot group @ 50yds
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You can't like a post more than once so I figured I'd quote it and say thanks for the detailed analysis. I've never done a comparison this detailed at 50 yards but my informal shooting at 25 yards agrees with your conclusion.
 
Guess I'm "yesterday" cuz I still convention lube bullets for 14 different calibers that I cast and pour my own lead shot in 7 1/2--8--9 diameters....Only been at it since 1972.......May have try those coated bullet someday.


Lets go shoot 100 rounds out of the same revolvers, you shoot your conventional lubed and I will shoot Hi Tec coated


I still have boxes of conventional lubed bullets and can't wait to shoot them to get rid of them. I even went through the work of stripping 500 45 acp 230 gr bullets of lube, cleaned then then powder coated them. Tired of cleaning a $1500 1911. PC paint is not even as good as the Hi Tec polymer.

Then compare which gun is easier to clean and which produces more smoke:D

Plus for indoor range shooters most will not allow regular lead bullets
 

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Lets go shoot 100 rounds out of the same revolvers, you shoot your conventional lubed and I will shoot Hi Tec coated


I still have boxes of conventional lubed bullets and can't wait to shoot them to get rid of them. I even went through the work of stripping 500 45 acp 230 gr bullets of lube, cleaned then then powder coated them. Tired of cleaning a $1500 1911. PC paint is not even as good as the Hi Tec polymer.

Then compare which gun is easier to clean and which produces more smoke:D

Plus for indoor range shooters most will not allow regular lead bullets
Why 100 rounds????

Heck 200 rounds thru a 686, put it back in the case (no cleaning required) and brought it back to the range 3/4 more times (200 rounds per visit) before I even thought about cleaning anything.
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A lot of people reload/shoot 9mm's, call me old school but I shoot a1911/9mm.
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My favorite cast/coated bullet for the 9mm's. It's a 125gr fn hp that holds it's own. My +/- 1100fps load for that 1911/bullet combo. Granted it's only a 10-shot group @ 50 ft. But I don't have any fancy ransom rest to test with either.
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The horizontal stringing is from old eyes/iron sights.

Anyway 600+ rounds with that 1911/9mm 1100fps combo
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1 tight wet patch with hoppe's #9 on a jag. Then 1 dry patch to finish the bbl off.
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I'm sure everyone that shoots traditional cast lubed bullets in their 9mm can do/claim the same thing (600+ rounds down the tube without cleaning anything). And ya same goes for the 1911/45acp's.
 
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I find the tension between some lubed vs coated shooters somewhat silly.
I've only loaded coated. The clean factor sent me in that direction, and I don't have the desire to exploit any potential 1/2" difference either way at 50 yards.
The guys that have developed good, lubed rounds and don't want to go through development again have a valid reason to stay the course.
 
I find the tension between some lubed vs coated shooters somewhat silly.
I've only loaded coated. The clean factor sent me in that direction, and I don't have the desire to exploit any potential 1/2" difference either way at 50 yards.
The guys that have developed good, lubed rounds and don't want to go through development again have a valid reason to stay the course.

Totally agree, everyone should use what's best for "their" shooting needs/standards.

Myself, I decided to get into coating bullets back in 2014. Already been using/making traditionally cast/lubed bullets for 3+ decades at that point in time. Cast bullets in a 308w was my interest & specifically coated bullets.

With a 1 in 14 twist 308w bbl most cast bullets held their own to the 2700fps+ threshold.
More often than not the traditionally cast/lubed bullets performed best in the 2400fpr to 2600fps range. The testing was over a 5 year period using 10+ different cast bullets and the same 14bhn alloy.

At the 50/60 round count accuracy started to go south with the traditionally cast/lubed bullets. Depended on the pressure of the load. Leading would start at the 25/35 round count.
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The traditionally lubed bullets were lubed with lbt blue and a coat of tumble lube, ya double lubed. It took +/- 10 rounds to get a lube star on the muzzle of the 308w bbl.
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At 2700fps+ the coated bullets started leaving burnt streaks in the bbl. They came out easy enough with bore tech eliminator.
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The most coated bullet rounds I shot in 1 day was 300+ with all of them in the +/- 2700fps range while still maintaining accuracy. I never would have been able to do that with the traditionally cast/lubed bullets.

What the leade of that 308w bbl looked like when new.
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What it looked like after 2000+ rounds of hot cast bullet loads.
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Anyway I had all the traditionally cast/lubed bullets loads worked up/tested that I'd ever need with several different cast bullets for every firearm I owned. Just for the heck of it I decided to try coating some pistol/revolver bullets. It was a real eye opener.

Don't know why I find it surprising that the same posts keep coming up about accuracy/seating/etc.

Not as accurate:
I must be doing something wrong, not only do I find coated bullets just as accurate. I find its easier to find accurate loads with them.

Got to love the people that post I bought coated bullets that were similar in shape & weight to test against my home cast/lubed bullets and my findings were yada-yada-yada.

How about I bought bullets that were nothing like mine. The alloys they were made with is nothing like mine. The coated bullets I bought will act/perform nothing like mine.

Try doing head to head testing with your own cast bullets.

Have to seat deeper:
Myself, I always look at the leade of the throat of the chamber in a semi-automatic pistol. What the throating looks like tells me what bullet design to use for accuracy.

What most bbl's look like, Un throated. Most mfg's skip this step anymore and the result is the consumer ends up with a firearm that bbl is best designed for rn/ball ammo.
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Same bbl that's been throated.
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Everyone looks at this picture and sets their oal's up with their cast bullets so they head space on the bullet/best accuracy.
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Myself, I never do that simply because I'm not a good enough reloader to make consistent ammo. Nor am I a good enough caster to make consistent bullets. My reloads very +/- 5/1000th's with their oal. So I set the oal for 10/1000th's less then the plunk test when doing the best accuracy with lead bullets thing. The end result is it doesn't matter if the same bullet is coated or traditionally lubed. They all load/shoot with acceptable accuracy.

Acceptable accuracy to me (I know it isn't 50yds) is all bullets touching @ 50ft. 3 different cast coated bullets for a $700 1911/45acp.
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Same 4.3gr load of clays 3 different bullets 5-shot groups @ 50ft.
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I use the same load/same oal/ same cast bullet with either traditional lube or coated.

At the end of the day there's some much parroting/mis information about coated bullets out there.
 
I've been casting for decades but powder coating for only a few years.

I'm totally sold on powder coating.

Every now and then I'll tumble lube some wadcutters and MAN the smoke!!
 
I started casting about 5yr ago. When I did it was less costly to do powder coating rather than traditional lube… cheap toaster oven and then getting the powder. For me cost was the main motivation. Some folks are happy with the tumble lube which is even easier and cheaper than powder coating. Another benefit to coating I appreciate is the ease of handling once the bullets are coated… no residue on hands or reloading equipment. I’ve used some tumble lube here and there but it seems to leave a fair bit of residue in my dies.
 
Smoke ..... don't care either way.
No one thing made my a coating convert, but rather, several.
As Forrest r has illustrated, they actually are just as accurate as their traditional counterparts. If accuracy is all that matters, there's no argument either way and no cause to condemn either.
But that's not all that matters.
Lube migrates during the loading process and eventually interferes with the loading process as it builds up in the die.
Coatings stay put and never cause a stoppage at the press.
Coatings don't liquefy in a hot environment. It hasn't happened often, but good ammo has been made mediocre by a stay in a car because the lube contaminated the powder.
Coatings are less temperamental.
The classic combo is and always has been traditional cast lead over some charge of Unique. It works.
use any of the new higher performance powders and somehow, we end up with lead fowling and frustration before capitulating and returning to our old trusted friend Unique. Coatings don't care. This opens up many possibilities to explore that traditional lube didn't seem to allow.
These things matter when you don't have a cache of 8 pound kegs of Unique, Bullseye, and 2400.
 
A while back one of the cast bullet makers had a page warning not to use the 15 fastest powders with coated bullets. They also gave a recommendation for a new powder said to be made with coated bullets in mind.
The page was gone the last time I looked. We can guess why but who knows?

Don't think it is a worry.
 
Or paid promotion, or change of mind, or...


FWIW it's a brand I've never read complaints about.
 
Dr. Ruth always said use lubrication(said with a thick accent). I protect myself with powder thanks.
 
Went back to shooting at indoor range during winter. Strongly prefer the coated over lubed bullets there, as does anyone else in close proximity.

While also prefer them outdoors, mainly for less clean up, ain't about to discard the boxes of lubed lead bought in preparation years ago.
 
I shoot a lot of bench rested 25 yard groups with my revolvers. I find traditional lubes cast bullets usually produce better accuracy that the coated bullets. The coated ones are fine for plinking and most will not notice a difference in that application. I strive for 6 shot bench rested 25 yard groups under 2 inches . Even when plinking, that level of accuracy inspires confidence. I prefer traditional lube overall but load some of both.
 
Been using coated for quite a few years. A lot cleaner and no bare lead contaminates. Bullseye shooters are using them with great results. I think a person may have to work with new powder charges, crimping etc. Just started using Acme Bullets and am very happy. Bayou has really good deals - free shipping on larger quantities.
 
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