CCW passenger

A real shame that the LEOs involved in this fiasco weren't properly trained, educated or supervised in regards to this citizens rights...Dropping the weapon is unforgivable....

MW
The truly unforgivable part was them trying to keep his gun AFTER being told that they'd falsely arrested him.

I still have no new information regarding the guy's plans to sue. I suspect that people in the VCDL are trying to talk him into pursuing legal action, as he certainly ought to do. It's without a doubt, the most egregious case of this sort which I've seen so far. This case confirmed me totally in my "no more than the law requires" beliefs regarding interactions with the police, especially CCW related ones. Obey the law, nothing more, nothing less.
 
The Judge should have ordered the weapon released immediately after determining he was falsely arrested, incarcerated and prevented from his peaceable journey thru the state...Of course, it was the Judge who had the presence of mind to dial the 10 digit number to verify the NC CHL.
So, I do agree completely with you about returning his weapon with NO FURTHER insults added to already suffered injuries...

MW
 
The Judge should have ordered the weapon released immediately after determining he was falsely arrested, incarcerated and prevented from his peaceable journey thru the state...Of course, it was the Judge who had the presence of mind to dial the 10 digit number to verify the NC CHL.
So, I do agree completely with you about returning his weapon with NO FURTHER insults added to already suffered injuries...

MW
I'm sure that the magistrate didn't figure that after having committed a boatload of crimes and civil torts against the man, that they'd compound that by trying to commit a few more. Most people are surprised by that level of stupidity. I'm sure the magistrate was.
 
The aforementioned situation is unfortunate and it really frustrates me when I hear things like that. Unfortunately common sense is becoming all too rare, even among my peers in law enforcement.

Over the years I've lost count of the number of citizens I've encountered with CCW permits. They typically get more excited about it than I do with an," I've got a CCW permit!" or, "I'm carrying and gun!" My reply is typically something to the order of, "Me too, now that we've established we're all exercising our second amendment rights let's take care of business." (I've always found that humor makes for an excellent difuser when dealing with the public.) As I see it, the ones I need to worry about won't have a permit and won't tell me anyway. As has already been mentioned, I assume everyone has some type of weapon anyway.

I once suffered under a Lieutenant who was a complete horses ass on many things including issues like this. He was a big gun enthusiast but was very specific on who he thought the 2nd amendment applied to. Once years ago, we were conducting a check lane near a state park one summer evening. A van load of people came through and the horses ass stopped it. He then walked over to me and mentioned that the occupant in the front passengers seat was wearing a pistol in a shoulder holster. My reply was, "so what?" (we never did get along and my service file shows it) He told me, "The guy looks like a convict and he doesn't have any use for that." I then mentioned it wasn't against the law for him to have the weapon then and there and asked if the 2nd amendment only applied to cops and the GQ crowd. (he never did appreciate my sense of humor) I was then told to get over there and check it out.

I then walked over to the van and told the man I'd have to check out his pistol. He then proceeded to tell me what a "jack off" that other guy was and he had every right to have the pistol. (and he did look somewhat unsavory, which is really irrelavent for the most part) I told him, "You know what? I think you're absolutely right on both counts but I do have to check your weapon, it's just procedure." (which it in fact was) I then assured him that when both he and the weapon checked out I'd return it to him. After making sure the weapon and its owner were clear I put the unloaded weapon and its magazine in the vans glovebox and instructed the passenger to leave them there until they cleared the lane. I also commented on his nice choice of hardware.

By proceeding in this manner I calmed the individual down and did my job with the least amount of fuss, and everyone went on their way without feeling offended. I've always felt that you save a lot of time and trouble by explaining to people what you're doing and why, afterall they have a right to know. I've never been a member of the "shut up and do it" crowd, well, only in extremes where the circumstances required it. I once instructed at my agencies academy and nothing would earn a recruit a chewing of the buttocks quicker than one who'd had prior LEO experience, walked up to a "violators" vehicle during scenario training and said something like, "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?" I would usually instruct them gently with an "We don't play f'ing games on the big hat police son. Walk up to the car and tell him exactly why you stopped him and tell him what you need, stop that mickey mouse BS. Now get back in the car unfu** yourself and try it again."

Of course that may be why I don't instruct anymore. ;)

Sorry to get off on a rant. I wouldn't make a decision based on what you read in the crazynet. You're best advised to consult your local statutes which should be available on-line or at the local library. Don't listen to what an individual lawyer or LEO tells you as they may not know the letter of that particular law, but their ego won't allow them to admit it. Go by what you're law says and if you run into a billy badass with a badge comply with every command. If he isn't within the bounds of the law just keep your mouth shut and comply. This tactic will only benifit you and your attorney later on in the lawsuit. :)
 
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Trooper224,

First of all, welcome to the forum.
I enjoyed reading your post.
Glad you have a good attitude....Sense of humor really does go a long way...
Going thru the process of getting CCW permit does say alot about the citizen. That respect goes both ways.
Travel safe my friend!

Mrwildroot
 
Trooper224,

First of all, welcome to the forum.
I enjoyed reading your post.
Glad you have a good attitude....Sense of humor really does go a long way...
Going thru the process of getting CCW permit does say alot about the citizen. That respect goes both ways.
Travel safe my friend!

Mrwildroot

Thanks.

It's a serious business but I've never felt we should take ourselves too seriously, not unless you want to have a bleeding ulcer by the time you're fourty, be divorced or eat your gun.

My agency was a longtime supporter of CCW rights for the public and we were happy when it finally passed.
 
Should you notify???

Depends on too many things, some of which are covered above. Some states link the CCW permit to the driver's license, so the LEO knows you have a permit. Under any circumstances...why not be cooperative, friendly and tell the truth? As noted, some states require it.
 
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