CCW PERMITS AND FEES UNCONSTITUTIONAL???

[zoom6zoom]

When we go to legally purchase a handgun or rifle, the FFL runs a background check, and we are cleared for purchase, provided we are non-felons, domestic violence convicts Etc. This doesn't cost the buyer one thin dime.

Maybe in your state, but in most there is a fee for the background check.

 

[GKC]

Maybe in your state, but in most there is a fee for the background check.

I've never had to pay for a background check or other fee, other than taxes of course, in any of the several gun shops, and Academy Sports, where I've bought guns here in Texas. Maybe they all include it in the price, but I've never had them charge me for it as a separate item. In fact, there have been times when I traded even, and there was no tax or any other money required...but they still had to call it in.

 

[PDL]

I've never had to pay for a background check or other fee, other than taxes of course, in any of the several gun shops, and Academy Sports, where I've bought guns here in Texas. Maybe they all include it in the price, but I've never had them charge me for it as a separate item. In fact, there have been times when I traded even, and there was no tax or any other money required...but they still had to call it in.

Here on the other side of the lead curtain, it costs about $60 to get your initial firearms purchase ID card.
After you've got that card, if you want handguns it costs $2 per permit.

Depending on where you live, if you go for more handgun permits later it's another $18 if they don't need to do fingerprints again. Plust $2 per handgun permit.

When you do buy any gun there's a $20 NICS check per purchase. And permits are issued or not at the whim of the local police chief.

Forgot to mention the permits were only good for 90 days and you can only get one handgun a month.

 

[GKC]

Here on the other side of the lead curtain, it costs about $60 to get your initial firearms purchase ID card.
After you've got that card, if you want handguns it costs $2 per permit.

Depending on where you live, if you go for more handgun permits later it's another $18 if they don't need to do fingerprints again. Plust $2 per handgun permit.

When you do buy any gun there's a $20 NICS check per purchase. And permits are issued or not at the whim of the local police chief.

Forgot to mention the permits were only good for 90 days and you can only get one handgun a month.

MAN!

I knew I was glad I lived in Texas before learning this, but now even more so!

There is one interesting thing about buying handguns in Texas, and it may be the same in all other states, I don't know...but at least at one gun shop I trade with, the owner told me that if I buy handguns more than once in a 5 day period at the same shop (not buying more than one handgun, necessarily, but buying guns one day and then coming back and buying more guns within a 5 day period) they have to send a form to the local sheriff. He said that some just file the form in the round file, and that others track it. So far, and I have done this several times (buy more than once within a 5 day period from the same shop) I've never had a call or a contact from the sheriff, ATF, or anyone else. (Other than my wife, of course... )

The other two guns shops and Academy Sports where I regularly deal have never said anything about it. Well, I did notice that Academy Sports had to fill out the form, but they didn't say anything.

 

[PDL]

MAN!

I knew I was glad I lived in Texas before learning this, but now even more so!

There is one interesting thing about buying handguns in Texas, and it may be the same in all other states, I don't know...but at least at one gun shop I trade with, the owner told me that if I buy handguns more than once in a 5 day period at the same shop (not buying more than one handgun, necessarily, but buying guns one day and then coming back and buying more guns within a 5 day period) they have to send a form to the local sheriff. He said that some just file the form in the round file, and that others track it. So far, and I have done this several times (buy more than once within a 5 day period from the same shop) I've never had a call or a contact from the sheriff, ATF, or anyone else. (Other than my wife, of course... )

The other two guns shops and Academy Sports where I regularly deal have never said anything about it. Well, I did notice that Academy Sports had to fill out the form, but they didn't say anything.

That's a federal thing. If you read the news lately, they were trying to do the same for long guns, but it got shot down.

 

[GKC]

That's a federal thing. If you read the news lately, they were trying to do the same for long guns, but it got shot down.

Maybe us handgunners need to have better aim!

 

[MotorCityGun]

That's a federal thing. If you read the news lately, they were trying to do the same for long guns, but it got shot down.

Huh, I just bought The Wife a Mossberg 590 shotgun (considered a long gun here in MI) for Valentine's Day at the sporting goods store . I shopped at two different stores, of the same chain. Both clerks told me that it would be necessary to fill out an ATF document with all of the pertinent info. However, one clerk said that this document is archived by them (the store) for 5 yrs and then one year's worth of the oldest documents are destroyed by them every year. The clerk at the other store who eventually sold me the gun, first called into an FBI number, then filled out the ATF document, but he said that they keep that record forever. He would/could not give me a copy of this document.

 

[Maximumbob54]

Ah, the Second Amendment. Still the only one we routinely tax, fee, regulate, record, block, and argue the most about. Wonders shall never cease.

 

[michael thornton]

I dont think you should have to pay to get a gun permit, but i go every year and pay my $15 the money goes to local law enforcement so i guess it goes to good use, the thing here is you need a permit to even carry in your car! so theres not much way around it.

 

[PDL]

Huh, I just bought The Wife a Mossberg 590 shotgun (considered a long gun here in MI) for Valentine's Day at the sporting goods store . I shopped at two different stores, of the same chain. Both clerks told me that it would be necessary to fill out an ATF document with all of the pertinent info. However, one clerk said that this document is archived by them (the store) for 5 yrs and then one year's worth of the oldest documents are destroyed by them every year. The clerk at the other store who eventually sold me the gun, first called into an FBI number, then filled out the ATF document, but he said that they keep that record forever. He would/could not give me a copy of this document.

I didn't say you don't have ATF documents involved with long guns. It's the extra reporting of multiple purchases that we were talking about. Handguns get extra reporting if you buy more than one in a specified timeframe. The BATFE was specifically(sp.) prohibitied from doing the same with long guns. The current BATFE was asking for emergency permission and funding to require the extra reporting for any semi-auto long gun with a detachable mag, larger than .22. The congress shut that down in the last week or so.

It was supposedly to stop guns going to Mexico. With the latest news we find that they were already tracking such purchases, including straw purchases. They let them go thru, and some of the guns have already been involved with a border patrol agent getting shot.

 

["U.S. Persons" ie. slave]

14th ammendment

i don't think people think about it alot however it clearly states where all U.S. persons w/certian constitutional privilages, hence no rights at all! I know a guy who's parents didn't sign a birth certificate or get a ss# for/to him and he's never had a ticket that stood up in court, doesn't pay property tax via didn't sign HUD statement banks make u sign when buying house w/bank loan. Basically he had to learn how to manuver in this minefield of corporations, bureacrats,etc.. to live free unlike most of us who are tought what to do via gov school system ie. play ball w/tyrants!
I know this seems of topic but I think I'm dead on. It's up to us to stand up for ourselves, not expect the government to protect our rights.
I am working on getting new ride w/MSO and keep it so I won't need license or to register. Once I'm sucessful in that fight I'm going for my gun rights.
I did property damage drunk at 19, was denied counsil, didn't have 10g's for private. Was told defend myself against them going for 20yrs for things I didn't do or plead guilty to things I didn't do for probation and clean record afterwords. If you can't guess what I did then your doomed. Regardless to say they lied & upon sucessfull completion of probation I still have record. People tell me all the time as a pick me up when I'm down about my life that the only diff between me & them is that I got caught ie we all have done something where not proud of. So what am I to do? Take it lying down?NO! I have a right to protect my family, weather it be in my home, in public ie. this seemingly communist country, as those who give up liberty for safty deserve neither, Ben Franklin. I say research where the gov "power" derives. As laws need 2/3 congress vote & must be constitutional. Just because congress may impose bureaucracies doesn't make a board of bureaucrats lawmakers. Live free, educate yourself, pick battles wisely & win!! Restore the Republic at all cost and effort!

 

[Arizona5906]

THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Period. There is no fine print in the 2nd admendment.

That's the way we do it here in Arizona. No permit required to carry a firearm here. I think it should be that way everywhere. On the other hand there are thousands of laws I don't agree with. So to live in this world without too much grief I usually obey even the laws I don't agree with. And I do have a $60 Arizona permit so that I can carry in other states that recognize my Arizona permit. The best we can realistically hope for is to chip away at the bad gun laws till they don't violate our 2nd Amendment rights any more.

 

[Chuck1217]

..."Framer's Intent has always been the yardstick in interpreting Constitutionality by SCOTUS. It is necessary because there were certain thoughts that the Framers would never have had, simply because of technology changes and social changes ..."
The problem with intent has become it can be argued, and lawyers end up discounting- or leaning on- that 'intent' to serve their own purpose. Look at the freedom to worship as we wish- the intent was clearly to worship in schools, public forums, anywhere we wish without governemnt interference. The "intent' was also obviously that all men had a right to be armed without infringement. But you'll find SCOTUS agreeing with interference in prayer/worship, yet disagreeing with the interference in RKBA- to an extent.
Consistency, like logic, are rarely a part of the government these days.

 

[PDL]

..."Framer's Intent has always been the yardstick in interpreting Constitutionality by SCOTUS. It is necessary because there were certain thoughts that the Framers would never have had, simply because of technology changes and social changes ..."
The problem with intent has become it can be argued, and lawyers end up discounting- or leaning on- that 'intent' to serve their own purpose. Look at the freedom to worship as we wish- the intent was clearly to worship in schools, public forums, anywhere we wish without governemnt interference. The "intent' was also obviously that all men had a right to be armed without infringement. But you'll find SCOTUS agreeing with interference in prayer/worship, yet disagreeing with the interference in RKBA- to an extent.
Consistency, like logic, are rarely a part of the government these days.

I agree that Framer's intent should be the guide, that's not what happens with the courts these days.

 

[PDL]

i don't think people think about it alot however it clearly states where all U.S. persons w/certian constitutional privilages, hence no rights at all! I know a guy who's parents didn't sign a birth certificate or get a ss# for/to him and he's never had a ticket that stood up in court, doesn't pay property tax via didn't sign HUD statement banks make u sign when buying house w/bank loan. Basically he had to learn how to manuver in this minefield of corporations, bureacrats,etc.. to live free unlike most of us who are tought what to do via gov school system ie. play ball w/tyrants!
I know this seems of topic but I think I'm dead on. It's up to us to stand up for ourselves, not expect the government to protect our rights.
I am working on getting new ride w/MSO and keep it so I won't need license or to register. Once I'm sucessful in that fight I'm going for my gun rights.
I did property damage drunk at 19, was denied counsil, didn't have 10g's for private. Was told defend myself against them going for 20yrs for things I didn't do or plead guilty to things I didn't do for probation and clean record afterwords. If you can't guess what I did then your doomed. Regardless to say they lied & upon sucessfull completion of probation I still have record. People tell me all the time as a pick me up when I'm down about my life that the only diff between me & them is that I got caught ie we all have done something where not proud of. So what am I to do? Take it lying down?NO! I have a right to protect my family, weather it be in my home, in public ie. this seemingly communist country, as those who give up liberty for safty deserve neither, Ben Franklin. I say research where the gov "power" derives. As laws need 2/3 congress vote & must be constitutional. Just because congress may impose bureaucracies doesn't make a board of bureaucrats lawmakers. Live free, educate yourself, pick battles wisely & win!! Restore the Republic at all cost and effort!

Get your convictions expunged if possible, then you won't have a problem.

 

[marlin.357]

I believe the "framers intent" was clear, that the right to keep and bear arms was an individual right (that's why it's in the BILL OF RIGHTS), and that right was to be guaranteed (shall not be infringed) by the government (state and federal, reaffirmed by the 14th amendment) and was included as a condition of forming (and keeping) a new nation of free men.

The specific arms and method of carrying (bearing) were not specified, therefore one must conclude that they are covered under the "shall not be infringed" clause.

 

[valerie]

Any Californians in this debate?? Our laws are ridiculous.

 

[chief38]

Weather the permit fees are constitutional or not is really a moot point these days. Given the financial state we are currently in, there is no way that they are going to waive the fees! I am not saying it is right, but just that there is little to no chance of ever seeing it happen.

Chief38

 

[Chuck1217]

Unfortunately I agree chief, but worse yet, there are just so, so many laws that are unfair or unconstitutional, it will take 40 years of full control of the WH and both houses of Congress- by conservatives- to un-do all the mess..notice I said conservatives, not republicans. Guess we can count our blessings- one, at least by paying the fees we stay out of trouble and two- we don't live in Illinois.