CCW Reciprocity in Washington DC!!! I hope so!!!

Exactly. And substantial evidence has come out recently that police officials in DC have been cooking the books. That's why no rational person would, at this time, believe the DC crime statistics over the last couple of years.
Which officials, and how much crime data? This is not rocket science, it's arithmetic. Re-count the report submissions (since they are electronic this is a less-than-one-day task for one file clerk) and see if the public numbers are different. And discipline anyone who deliberately falsified data.

Added: And if you don't trust the police records, then check arrest data against jail records, then charging records against court records, and initial crime reports against separate 911 data by agency.
 
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It's not just prosecutions that I am referring to. Many states have de-criminalized or reduced felonious acts to misdemeanors. Doesn't that affect your statistics?
Good question. The only crime that's accurately reported is the various homicides. It's hard to hide dead bodies. Rape, is under reported and some of those that are reported is consensual sex that an underage girl becomes worried and reports a rape leaving the boyfriends name out of it. Robbery is mostly real but the drug trade makes things, difficult. This is one frequently downgraded for stats.

Many times reports of theft and burglary are only reported for insurance purposes. Sometimes those are not reported because the victim does not want to lose their insurance. Also under reported due to police defunding. Patrol units don't have the time to take reports anymore and victim's have to make reports in person at a station house. While auto theft tends to be accurate the arrest stats have fallen. This is due to State Attorney General guidelines issued to police agencies not to pursue stolen cars as the pursuit is considered dangerous to the public. Thus, more stolen cars.

Lesson number one in the police academy is, "If it's not in writing, it didn't happen". This is really to guide officers in report writing and courtroom testimony. It's annoying to the officers when the desk driving supervisor tells them to downplay what they know really happened. It goes against their training.

The fact of the matter is many jurisdictions fudge those reports and stats to make the city look better. It helps the tax base.
 
Exactly. And substantial evidence has come out recently that police officials in DC have been cooking the books. That's why no rational person would, at this time, believe the DC crime statistics over the last couple of years.
I am not sure where you reside but I live near the DC Metro area and watch the local news.

There is ONE commander who has been reported to have done this. Now that may affect the stats in that area but it is not a widespread conspiracy based off what has been reported. He is being investigated and I believe on leave.

I would like someone, who is of this knowledgeable base here to tell me how do you fudge the numbers for murders? Sure you can get one wrong here and there and call it a suicide because you missed something (that has happened where I worked and was changed years later when the truth came out) but the murder rate is the murder rate. In fact for several years the media here in DC would track the number of murders each year as they came in as a news story. So it became a simple math issue. Not sure if the Washington Post is still doing that but they were just a year or two ago.

I would almost suggest it would be just as difficult to fudge the aggravated battery type charges as well. The local news is on the scene of almost every shooting reported in DC, doing a story. A major fixing of the stats would be difficult.

Now, if you get into making a burglary a criminal trespass, or what would be a robbery a theft then that could be a different story.

But let me ask you this, if these cities were going to cook the books do you honestly think crime would be as high as it is?

Not saying crime is not bad in DC. It is bad in many major cities. But scratch your head and ask yourself if it is such a crisis in DC that Mississippi and Missouri have to send troops to DC why is the numbers so high in Jackson, MS (3X of DC) and while I don't have the numbers for Kansas City and St. Louis I feel pretty certain they aren't low. **I stand corrected. As of now MO is not sending NG.** HOWEVER there are several states sending NG who have cities with higher murder numbers than DC.

As stated above don't be distracted by the shiny object in the room. DC has concealed carry permits but like many states reciprocity is not guaranteed for anyone who lives outside of those states.
 
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Good question. The only crime that's accurately reported is the various homicides. It's hard to hide dead bodies. Rape, is under reported and some of those that are reported is consensual sex that an underage girl becomes worried and reports a rape leaving the boyfriends name out of it. Robbery is mostly real but the drug trade makes things, difficult. This is one frequently downgraded for stats.

Many times reports of theft and burglary are only reported for insurance purposes. Sometimes those are not reported because the victim does not want to lose their insurance. Also under reported due to police defunding. Patrol units don't have the time to take reports anymore and victim's have to make reports in person at a station house. While auto theft tends to be accurate the arrest stats have fallen. This is due to State Attorney General guidelines issued to police agencies not to pursue stolen cars as the pursuit is considered dangerous to the public. Thus, more stolen cars.

Lesson number one in the police academy is, "If it's not in writing, it didn't happen". This is really to guide officers in report writing and courtroom testimony. It's annoying to the officers when the desk driving supervisor tells them to downplay what they know really happened. It goes against their training.

The fact of the matter is many jurisdictions fudge those reports and stats to make the city look better. It helps the tax base.
Sorry, not buying.

Does it impact crime stats if small larcenies and low-level burglaries don't to get reported? To a tiny degree, and only in the property crime sections. Show me major burglaries and larcenies that don't get reported because of insurance costs - and if firearms or large amounts of cash or other lquid assets are stolen in burglaries (especially of occupied buildings) or larcencies and your agency isn't reporting those you have poor supervision and management. Somebody needs to start doing their job.

I note we've gone from 'the crime stats are a lie' to mumbling about petty larcenies and minor burglaries and non-specific accusations against 'jurisdictions' without a word of support.
 
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I suppose I should clarify my stance a little bit. I think that we should have the ability to carry in a lot of places, but there are some places where the potential for carry by almost anyone introduces a lot of risk for minimal gain. The prime example of this would be a sporting event, or someplace like the federal capital. As much as we all might disagree politically, we are peaceful, rational, reasonable people who do not use violence to further our political aims. We are also an extreme minority of people, and to provide effective security for our representatives and leaders, the security organizations do have a legitimate reason to seek a monopoly on force in those areas. It is functionally impossible to allow concealed carry into someplace like Congress and be able to maintain a defensible posture on one person one would have to have a literal shepherd on every visitor in every person in the building at all times. That is impossible.

I would even say this applies to many of the places on the national mall. There isn't really a threat there, and the police are Omni present. I would imagine that that's where the vast majority of the tourists in DC go.

Now, for DC residents, that's a different story. They should have the same rights afforded to them is every other American. They should be allowed to carry concealed weapons in their homes, as they go about their business, and as they recreate. They should also be afforded full representation in Congress, but that's a political issue that one party has fiercely resisted for decades because it advantages them to have Americans with fewer rights then the rest of us, so I won't discuss it any further.

I do think it is legitimate for anyone carrying a weapon in DC to understand that there are some very real reasons and restrictions on what is possible versus plausible and that their carriage should be adjusted to meet those realities.
I don't think robbing three friends of mine at gunpoint in DC was a political statement, nor the 200+ murders and 1500 car jackings.
 
Don't worry. Commander Mc Bragg is strutting the thread. He visited the Washington Monument once back in the day. Knows all about DC crime.
Obviously more than you. In DC I was working for USDOJ-ICITAP and spent time between deployments there.

Again, if you are offended by other folks having somewhat more broad experience, perhaps the ignore feature could help you.
 
D.C. is not the United States; it is a separate country. Similar to London and the Vatican.
 
Oh yea....

Trump Says He's a Second Amendment Person, Favors Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity in Washington, DC
No way will this happen, DC is not a state, it is controlled by fascists who have dominion over "dey peoples".
 
Ain't gonna happen. Even if it did, there are several states that have made it clear that they do not recognize all federal laws nor do they recognize all rights as defined in the U.S. constitution.
Well I live in Texas.. and we have reciprocity with D.C. I'd love to go there!
 
Half the truth isn't the truth. On the same page you've posted scroll down and you'll see that crime in DC climbed dramatically from 2014 to 2023 and is down substantially in 2024 and is on track to fall in 2025.

Not a fan of invented emergencies. New Orleans, with roughly half DC's population, has 55 murders so far this year; it's being hailed as the lowest crime rate in almost 50 years. https://www.fox8live.com/2025/07/15/new-orleans-sees-historic-declines-murders-other-crimes/
And now, since the NG is there in D.C., zero murders... MAGA. Give 'em time and the D.C. police will reorganize and get a handle on it. Then the NG will leave.
 
D.C. is not the United States; it is a separate country. Similar to London and the Vatican.
The District of Columbia (D.C.) is a federal district, not a state, created by the U.S. Constitution to serve as the permanent seat of the U.S. government. It is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress, which prevents any single state from unduly influencing the national government. Although D.C. functions as a municipal corporation with its own government and budget, its residents lack voting representation in Congress and full self-governance compared to state residents.

And soon Trump will try to get Congress to revoke the cities charter and have it revert to it's original form. See the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 made it a 'city'... and that act can be revoked by Congress.
 
I don't think that the Congress or President are "fascists"; with that being said, it is deeply unfair to the residents of D.C. that they are forced to be governed by a Congress they have no voting representation in and full of people whom are not accountable in the slightest to them; it is even less fair that the President have a direct role in their municipal governance. They can't vote for these people, they can't recall them if they are ignoring their duties, and they cannot seek a redress of grievances because they have no representation that matters. Why not? Because for 700,000ish of our fellow Americans, Thomas Jefferson's kooky theories about statehood and local governance have become a politically-convenient tool for the GOP to maintain a deadlock.

I bet most of you would be dizzy with rage if it was Wyoming or Idaho or Montana that wasn't represented and got to live under Federal edicts; but this is America, where the rules are for thee and not for me.

I will also say that there is something uniquely ominous about demanding that a political party is "entitled" to more power and more seats in one place in the name of "fair representation" while simultaneously denying the rights of Americans to even have representation in another place…all based on demographics. I'd absolutely love to take it to PMs and have a conservative member explain to me why Trump and the GOP "deserve" the benefit of the doubt in matters like Texas redistricting while they refuse to consider DC statehood and send unaccountable, anonymous federal law enforcement into communities with multiple documented violations of constitutional protections…
 
Obviously more than you. In DC I was working for USDOJ-ICITAP and spent time between deployments there.

Again, if you are offended by other folks having somewhat more broad experience, perhaps the ignore feature could help you.
Thank you for your knowledgeable, respectful, and professional responses with facts. Amazing to watch some people twist themselves into a pretzel to hang on to their narrative. SMDH
Signed,
Former Police Chief, Retired 2nd in command of a 900 person State Public Safety Dept.
 
Thank you for your knowledgeable, respectful, and professional responses with facts. Amazing to watch some people twist themselves into a pretzel to hang on to their narrative. SMDH
Signed,
Former Police Chief, Retired 2nd in command of a 900 person State Public Safety Dept.
Thank you for your service.

Until I retired I was careful not to say much about my employers, but I'm now 70 and not going back to work, so I am free to say a little more. Then again, all but my last deployment were on my LinkedIn page! :)
 
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