Changing my edc gun to 22 LR (new info at the end of thread)

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At 75 my arthritis in both hands is getting worse. My severely damaged and unrepairable right rotator cuff is diminishing my right arm strength in a troubling way. I carry a Ruger Lc9s because it is light and my rotator cuff can handle the weight without my arm becoming unstable.

I practice shooting two days a week with my Ruger. I shoot about 50 rounds each time to assure I can hit my selected target. But lately I have been having increased pain in my right hand. It has a deteriorating base thumb knuckle just like my left hand did some years ago. Today, I cannot get a reliable, steady grip on a gun with my left hand. My right thumb is headed in that direction. No way to stop it. It just is a fact,of old age.

Today my arthritis/hand specialist who carries a .40 and knows I carry and shoot regularly advised me to stop the use of my 9mm. He says the recoil is putting pressure on the base thumb joint, and all that is doing is aggravating the arthritis causing more deterioration to the joint. He suggested going to .380 at maximum or just stopping target shooting. But I decided to take a different course.

A couple months ago I bought a M&P 22 Compact. While I took it to the range every week I found a Bushnell 22 caliber bullet trap at a gun show for $30.00. I set it up in my basement with a good exhaust fan in a window. Now I shoot it in the basement. Because of its nearly non existent recoil it does not irritate my thumb. I have gotten more accurate with it than with my Lc9s. Generally I shoot a 22LR group of five rounds into a 1.5 inch cluster at 25 feet. I can do that in about four seconds. So that started me thinking.

I had done some research on the self defense lethality of the 22LR from a handgun. Turns out it is more lethal than most people think. Theo reason is the ability to lshoot a 1.5 inch group
into a vital spot of the body aa like the thorax or head, and do it in less than five seconds.

So I have decided to preserve the thumb and adopt the 22 Compact for EDC. My research also indicated that the best ammo was the CCI Mini Mag HP. At brassfetcher.com there is a good test of 22LR HP expansion. The Mini Mag was second only to a Winchester Super X HP. Problem was that there are many reported incidents of failures of the Winchester rounds and none of the CCI Mini Mag HPs. So I have a new EDC combo. The 22C and Mini Mags. It is a gun my impaired rotator cuff can accommodate and my thumb can work with. Life moves on but not always the way envisioned it. So keeping highly precise accuracy under duress is my new challenge.
 
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Good for you!

And thanks for posting! I am 74 and my right rotator cuff is inflamed most of the time. Being a revolver guy who does not EDC, my night stand gun has been a S&W Mod 10(HB) loaded with +P HPs for 40 years. Just raising it to line of sight causes extreme discomfort in my upper arm. You just inspired me to replace it with my S&W J frame 22LR kit gun loaded with Mini Mag HPs. Getting old has it's downside, but it sure beats the alternative!


PS: Aleve(blue pill) helps the best in relieving the pain from inflamation
 
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.22 LR isn't perfect but there's not many criminals who will shrug off several well-placed .22s. If I end up limited by age or injury I would carry a .22 myself, I think it would suffice for most confrontations.
 
I've carried a Beretta 21A in .22lr and a Ruger LCR9mm revolver with very light 147gr handloads and the recoil is minimal. Also the Glock 42 .380 is pretty mild in my experience.

That said my M&P 22 compact is about 97% because sometimes it fails to pick up a cartridge from time to time. It does have an extractor though, which I wish the Beretta 21A had.
 
I'd personally rather carry a j frame loaded with wadcutters than any .22 LR. There is a difference between lethality and stopping power. I understand your having to adapt to your limitations. We all are getting there. Good luck!
 
I would never argue with someone about their choice of caliber and I fully understand that sometimes physical factors can play a major role in things. However, I did want to toss out the main problem that I would have relying on a 22LR for self defense. My main issue is with ignition reliability in a rim fire cartridge. I'm sure we've all been at the range having fun going through a large box of 22's. Inevitably, a few of those rounds just won't fire- not even after several attempts. I just wouldn't trust that the round I might have to fire to save my life wouldn't be one of those "duds".

I will add that if carrying something chambered in 22LR was my only option then I think I would definitely carry a revolver. If that first round doesn't fire, at least a quick second pull of the trigger gets me a fresh round.
 
Your better armed than most of the people around you. They don't carry at all. I see where you are at. I'm just starting the jorney. Had to quit 357 but can still handle 38s.
 
I have two .22LR High Standard Sentinels stuck back for my "geezer" guns. One is 4 in. sq. butt and the other is 2 in.(?) with a round butt. I have quit loading the .44M to the max. and sometimes the .45ACP and .357M hurts to shoot. I still think 9 .22s would be like a hornets nest and nobody can stand that. Larry
 
Nothing wrong with that. I've often been tempted to carry a Ruger Standard or Mark II with 4" barrel. It's an accurate shooter that has a lighter trigger than your M&P. Easy to hold and very light recoil when shooting. With the right ammo it could be a force to reckon with, but I've never been able to find anyone who would make an IWB holster for it.
 
Hi Richard W:

I also suffer from arthritis in my hands and wrists, and I need to have surgery on my right hand due to arthritis in my thumb. I typically carry .38 Special revolvers now as my hand strength and manual dexterity is so poor that I have trouble manipulating the slide on semiautos. On days when my arthritis is really bad, I carry my 432PD chambered in .32 H&R Magnum. I also recently added a Beretta Tomcat chambered in .32ACP that will be for my daughter once she acquires her LTC. She is petite, and has poor hand strength.

As BlackTalonJHP mentioned in his post (#11), the Beretta Tomcat has the tip up barrel that means you don't have to cycle the slide to load and unload the piece. I am not questioning or challenging your choice of using .22LR pistols for your EDC, but just offering an opinion, and hopefully another option.

Best of luck to you, and thank you for your service to our country.

Regards,

Dave

PS - sorry, I should have identified the handguns in my photos. 1st photo: CZ-70 in .32ACP (left), Seecamp in .32ACP (center), S&W 432PD in .32 H&R Magnum (right). 2nd (middle) photo: Beretta Tomcat in .32ACP (left), Seecamp (top), CZ-70 (right). 3rd photo: CZ-70 (left), Seecamp (top), Beretta Tomcat with barrel tipped up (right).

Regards,

Dave
 

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As that great student of the human condition, Dirty Harry, once remarked, A MANS GOT TO KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS. If you can hit with the .22 and you are cognizant of it's limitations, it is far better than throwing rocks. If I recall correctly the principle body guard of a recent Mexican president carried a .22.
 
Means absolutely nothing statistically, but in my years on the job I saw 2 shootings in which the shootee dropped immediately and never moved: a .45 ACP (ball) between the eyes and a .22 LR HP to the chest. Then there was the truly hyped individual who took 5 .357 Mags to the chest and nearly outran the pursuing officer.

As someone said: have a gun. I truly applaud your commitment to shooting twice weekly. Follow your doctor's advice and be safe.
 

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