Charles Greenblatt Co.

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I recently lettered a Baby Chiefs Special which came back as being shipped to Charles Greenblatt Co. New York. Doing a Google search I see Charles Greenblatt was/is a police supply business, which makes sense as I was told by the man I bought the gun from that the gun had belonged to a family member of the consignor of the gun. They were not sure what Dept. he worked for other than it was in Connecticut.

Does anyone know if Chas. Greenblatt sold to individual officers, or only LE agencies? Anyone else have a gun shipped to them?
 
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The Charles Greenblatt Company was one of the larger S&W distributors in NYC. One of our forum members, Lefty, is very knowledgeable in this field. Hopefully, he'll jump in here and give you a little more info on them.

Here is a pic of my pre-model 32, "Terrier". It was shipped to the Charles Greenblatt Company, NYC on October 9, 1951.

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This holster below is stamped "Frank Lavas", a NYC Gunsmith, (see photo) just down & across the street from the Charles Greenblatt Company.

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Md 19-3 to Charles Greenblatt Co

I have a Model 19-3 .357 Combat Magnum Special Production that shipped to Charles Greenblatt Inc on July 6, 1970. Factory letter reads" This revolver was listed as being built for Officer William B. O'Donald New York City Department of Correction. The records indicate that this revolver was shipped with a 2 1/2 inch barrel equipped with a yellow ramp front sight, nickel barrel, nickel cylinder, blue frame and dark smooth rosewood grips. The invoice does not list the bobbed hammer or target trigger which may have been done at a later date."
I hope this helps
 
My shop was about 200 yards north of the shop owned and operated by Charles Greenblatt, his brother Louis and brother-in-law Sol Jacobson.
They had a retails tore as well as being one of the most active S&W distributors.
They left New York City went out to Long Island, then ceased operations.
Charles' ex-son in law Hy Gatsoff was at one time in my memory a New York City Police Officer.
 
Two from Charles Greenblatt

I own a 10-5 that shipped to Charles Greenblatt on July 9, 1969, just short of 5 months after my birthday. My dad's 15-2, his rookie gun, also shipped to Charles Greenblatt on Oct. 30, 1968. I don't know anything more about the company than what's in the above posts, which is much more than I knew previously. -Donald
 
Greenblatt.....I am an expert on the subject. Any questions, I am at your service.

What an intriguing and generous offer, especially for a first post! How about starting us off with the precise location of Greenblatt's shop and the years of operation? Also, what other brands did he carry besides S&W? Did he also carry Colt, for instance? What about the leather goods LEOs need so much of? Finally, did he sell to LEOs only, or was he open to the public (with NYC gun laws as they were/are this would be most interesting.) Thanks again for bringing this trove of information with you to the forum!

Froggie
 
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I too have a pre-model 36 Chiefs Special that was shipped to Charles Greenblatt Inc., in NYC, per Roy Jinks S&W Letter. My pre-model 36 was shipped to them in 1956. I did not know anything about them except what was in the letter and now what I am reading here on the forums. I have reason to believe mine was owned by LEO because of the markings on the back of grip frame. The markings are "M.D.C. 913". I am thinking MDC Police in Massachusetts which were aborbed by the MA State Police or Massachusetts Department of Corrections. I purchased this from a dealer in MA who said this came out of an estate. It is in great shape for its age and it shows some light carry wear in the grip area but still tight. (See photos). Would like to find out more so I will keep monitoring this thread. Thanks for the previous infomation posted here.
 

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Chas. Greenblatt was a major LE supplier for the east coast. I don't have any guns that letter to them, but, I also collect Police badges. Though made by other manufacturers, Everson Ross for example, they would often have a little oval tab soldered on the back with the name Chas. Greenblatt NYC.
 
CHARLIE AND COMPANY

What an intriguing and generous offer, especially for a first post! How about starting us off with the precise location of Greenblatt's shop and the years of operation? Also, what other brands did he carry besides S&W? Did he also carry Colt, for instance? What about the leather goods LEOs need so much of? Finally, did he sell to LEOs only, or was he open to the public (with NYC gun laws as they were/are this would be most interesting.) Thanks again for bringing this trove of information with you to the forum!

Froggie

Hello Froggie,

If ever there were three guys who lucked out, it was Charlie Greenblatt, Sol Jacobson a.k.a. Jake, and Louie Greenblatt, Charlie's younger brother. Before they got into business together, Charlie drove a milk truck that was drawn by a horse, Jake drove a fat truck, also drawn by horse, and Louie had some kind of job that did not require a horse.

These guys were hard-working people who came up the hard way. Charlie and Jake seemed to have very little formal education, but I can't say the same for younger brother, Louis. He was more polished and gentrified than the other two. He was also the workhorse.

Jake and Charlie were interested in police and guns, and joined the volunteer auxiliary police. New York City auxiliary police had absolutely no police powers. They're prohibited from carrying guns, and were told not to do anything except call for the regular cops, in case it was something that needed police involvement.

They both had pistol licenses, and used to enjoy going to the range to practice. They began to buy used guns, and resell them, for pocket change. At the time, in the middle 1940's, Colt was the dominant player in the law enforcement market, and Smith & Wesson wanted very badly to change that. Part of the problem was that most departments required cops to carry a six shot 38 sp. revolver off-duty, and Colt's Detective Special was much lighter, and easier to conceal than Smith & Wesson's six shot M & P 2 inch, which was a K-frame weapon. The five shot Chief's Special was prohibited, and nothing S & W could do would make NYPD change its mind.

Meanwhile, Charlie and Jake were doing pretty well buying and selling used guns for cash and trade. Each tired of the smell of horse manure that came with their delivery jobs, they decided to open a store, and devote all their efforts to a gun business.

In 1944, they moved into 3 Centre Market Place, which was surrounded by other police equipment/gun stores, because of its close proximity To New York City Police headquarters, as well as many State, City, Federal agencies.

Like the others, Greenblatt's sold to cops and pistol permit holders alike. Somehow, after incorporating and legitimizing their business, Smith & Wesson agreed to make them law enforcement "distributors". This was the turning point for Charles Greenblatt Incorporated. although, believe it or not, that was no great feat, because Smith & Wesson's were a hard to sell to law enforcement.

Yes, Froggie, anyone who had a badge or a NYPD pistol license, could buy a gun from Greenblatt. However, Smith & Wesson required all of its distributors to sell handguns at dealer price to cops and dealers. Others paid the retail price.

NYPD had strict uniform requirements requiring on duty leather goods, made by a company called Jay-Pee. There were no fancy rigs allowed, and these holsters were not form fitted and they had no strap to snap over the hammer. Naturally,Greenblatt sold that brand. At that time, holsters were very simple, both on and off duty.

(I've got to get to work, so I can't add any more at this time. I could write a book about the Greenblatts, but I don't know if anyone would be that interested in them.If there are any direct questions that you would like to have answered, I will oblige as promised). Otherwise, I'll assume that everyone's interest has been satisfied. I've got to catch the subway now, or I will be late for work.)
 
Monga, thanks for the very informative post.

This was one of the holsters on my display table of LE gun leather at the Kansas City SWCA annual meeting. It's a Heiser made model 459 holster for a Chiefs Special. Greenblatt retailed other leather makers' products as well.
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Regards,
turnerriver
 
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Monga, thanks for a really fascinating report. It's amazing what information can show up here, and don't worry about interest... somebody here (or likely many somebodies) will find it more than interesting. Your story has attraction for the LEO fans, S&W fans, and of course anyone who loves the Big Apple. Feel free to add more any time!

Thanks again,
Froggie
 
I purchased police equipment from Charles Greenblatt store when they were located in Suffolk County, New York. I think it was Hauppage. I don't remember if I purchased my S&W model 640 from them or from Standard Law in Nassau County, New York.
 
The NYPD Jay Pee duty holster is actually a unique design and was fairly secure. The gun sat in the holster pretty deep and there is a lip of leather that holds it in. To draw, you stuck your thumb down inside the holster, or twisted the gun, out and away from the the leather lip that was over the recoil shield. I have a couple of the in my collection and have made a few.
 
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I sold for them in the Midwest for a period of time when they were on long island. met the younger of the Greenblatts and was quite a guy. very smooth and a total businessman.
 
The Charles Greenblatt Company was such a big distributor that even a Colt guy has a couple! I have Chiefs Special 6XX that shipped to Greenblatt on November 9, 1951, and .357 Magnum 3.5-inch S-156XXX that shipped to Greenblatt on July 19, 1955.

Monga's post seems to imply that Smith and Greenblatt could not get the NYPD to accept the 5-shot Chiefs Special in the 1940s, thereby losing out to the 6-shot Colt Detective Special. Of course, that cannot be since the Chiefs Special was not introduced until 1950.
 
The way I understand it is the NYPD had/ has an armory and would sell guns directly to officers. However you weren't forced to buy from them you could go outside and buy approved guns.

It seems to have worked slightly differently in different eras. Sometimes outside purchases had to be inspected and approved by the department.

It seems that at times certain guns weren't in stock by the department is when outside purchases were made. I guess everyone wants the new thing?

Heres a Jay Pee NYPD duty holster



I have more Jay-Pee stuff too, hand cuff case, ammo dump duty belt etc.

I think Jay-Pee was/is in Queens NY.

Jay-Pee is still around located in Flushing.
http://www.jaypeepoliceproducts.com/
 
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I knew Louis Greenblatt very well (in the early & mid 80's) since he had a HUGE retail/wholesale showroom and warehouse on Motor Parkway in Commack, Long Island, down the street where my office was at the time. I bought MANY guns from him personally as well as ammo, holsters, and accessories. I also spent many a lunch hour drooling all over his gun counters and actually did some Custom Picture Framing for him. About 6 years or so later for reasons unbeknownst to me, he lost his FFL and moved down the street to a very small store front where he was only allowed to sell Police, Fire, and such Uniforms and accessories. I never found out what happened, but it was a sad ending to a huge business that he and his brother had built up. I can still remember his gruffy voice telling me "hey kid, you should buy this gun - I'm giving you a great deal". The guns were great, the prices......... ehhh. :)
 
Another Greenblatt LEO gun

Here's an example of a Greenblatt ordered S&W that was headed to the Louisiana State Police. Evidently the company represented LE Agencies outside of NY. I've posted this gun before, but since there was a Greenblatt connection here it is again. It is one of the favorite Model 29s in my collection.
Enjoy:)
Chuck

S199638, is a Model 29 shipped Jan 5, 1960 to Charles Greenblatt in NYC who was one of S&Ws largest distributors at the time. Greenblatt was also a distributor for the Louisiana State Police who received this Model 29 and then resold it to a LA State Trooper. Notice the time payment plan. I don't know if $5.00 per pay period was every week, two weeks or a month. But, $5.00 was serious money in 1960 as I recall.
Actually this thread is as much about the presentation case as it is the revolver. This is a good example of what collectors refer to as the "transition case." The case was a combination of the earlier black box liner and tools and the later mahogany wood case. This one is probably one of the earlier examples due to its style latch found most often on the 1956/57 black boxes. For reference, the triangular latch was more common on the 1958-59 black boxes. Exactly when the transition from black box to wooden box occurred is anyone's guess, but I think it was somewhere around 1960. I do not believe this style case was in production long though, because I have revolvers shipped in early 1961 that are in the later clam shell style case.

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Was glad to see info about Greenblat Co. My pre-29 44magnum was shipped to them July 30, 1957 per Jinks letter. I assumed that was the end of story. How cool to find so much here. Now I want to know who gold plated several components (trigger, hammer, latch, crane)
 

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Hi,
I too have a pre-model 36 Chiefs Special that was shipped to Charles Greenblatt Inc., in NYC, per Roy Jinks S&W Letter. My pre-model 36 was shipped to them in 1956. I did not know anything about them except what was in the letter and now what I am reading here on the forums. I have reason to believe mine was owned by LEO because of the markings on the back of grip frame. The markings are "M.D.C. 913". I am thinking MDC Police in Massachusetts which were aborbed by the MA State Police or Massachusetts Department of Corrections. I purchased this from a dealer in MA who said this came out of an estate. It is in great shape for its age and it shows some light carry wear in the grip area but still tight. (See photos). Would like to find out more so I will keep monitoring this thread. Thanks for the previous infomation posted here.

The MDC was the Metropolitan District Commission. The Department of Conservation and Recreation was formed in 2003 under Governor Mitt Romney, when the former the Metropolitan District Commission (MDC) and the Department of Environmental Management (DEM) were merged to form the DCR.
 
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