Cheap 64's on Gun Broker

[mjb99]

So I am saving my pennies for a new toy, and I came across the police trade-in model 64's that Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore is selling for a bit over $200. The pics show pre-lock, hammer-mounted firing pin guns...but the written description doesn't say what "dash" these guns are, and the pics could be unrelated stock. I do know that I am not interested in locks or 2-piece barrels.

Has anyone picked up one of these? If so, what "dash" are they? Are they in good shape? If this is as good a deal as it looks to be, I might just get in on it.

Matt

 

[1 old 0311]

These are all over gun shows, but for a much higher price. They have the LEO markings on the left side below the cylinder, and show a LOT of external wear/abuse, but have good lock up.

For $200 they would be a great truck or range gun, AFTER a very good cleaning.

 

[M3Stuart]

I already have a 64 so don't need one. But if I did, I might buy one of those. I'd call them, ask them to pick out as-nice-as-possible, make sure they guarantee it to work. If they have any with good-condition wood grips, I'd think that would be your best bet. Don't worry about scratches. If you don't like them, you can sand them out with 1500 & 2000 grit sandpaper, then polish it up. You can ask them to pick you one out - if you want pre-lock, pre-MIM, I think the serial number just has to be older than CBXXXXX. Mine is a CCJ which is pre-lock, hammer mounted FP, but has a MIM trigger. It's a 64-5. I saw another one at my LGS that is a CBXXXXX that is only one month newer, but is all pre MIM. They want $295 for it - with new Hogue monogrips, oh and it's a RB - like mine.

Good luck, keep us posted.

Edit: oh, and ask them for RB or SB depending on what you want.

 

[Black_Sheep]

If you are talking about the 64's on GB for $209, my friend Ben just got one. It is a 64-8 with an IL, a 2 piece barrel and round butt. Other than a large #12 stamped on the side it was actually in pretty decent shape...

 

[mjb99]

Yes, Black Sheep, those are the ones I was talking about. I wondered, since the the model 10's they're selling are IL models. I may give them a call and see what exactly they have. Thanks for the input everyone!

Matt

 

[DaTerminat'r]

Interesting. I didn't know police department would use guns with IL.

 

[JG4660]

I'm considering buying one also. I bought a model 10 from buds about a month ago it is a great shooter and doesn't have an IL. I'm surprised that these would have the locks.....seems that would make them too new to be police trades????? I think I'll have to give them a call Monday...even with the lock $209 is a great price.

JG

 

[stantheman86]

I just bought a 10-14 from the same seller, but haven't received it yet. I will post when I get it. It will be my 2nd 10-14 and I am looking forward to getting it.

I already have a 64-4 and a 64-7,and was looking for other newer dash numbers......... I asked him about the 64's and he said he has a few -4, and mostly -5, and -6's left. I wouldn't mind a RB -5 and a -6 to go with my -7. I would also take a -8 if he has any. I'm a rarity, I like the newer Smiths

Expect dings and holster buffing, but I doubt these were fired much. They are priced low because they aren't older Smiths and they are a great deal for shooter or carry guns. Shooter grade 64's are all over gun shows, most are $300 or so, so if you're looking for a utility 64 it might be good to get one or two of these.

I have a feeling these are security trade ins,not police, unless they are from a foreign country.......I know Australian PD's just traded in a bunch of 66-7's so perhaps they dumped a lot of newer Smiths of other flavors too....... since I don't think any US PD's are going to issue 10-14's.

 

[TAROMAN]

Thanks for the heads up.

I'd been thinking about getting a 64 for a while and was pondering the J&G ones.

Just popped for one of these. I really like fixing up these old duty guns. Another one for the crew!

 

[stantheman86]

J&G has had those DAO 64's since I can remember..........they must have thousands of them!

I can't wait to get my 10-14, and I'm fighting the urge to get one of these 64's too. I gave up trying to "justify" another shooter grade 10 or 64, since I already have a bunch of them and I'm still looking for excuses to get more...like "I don't have a -6!"

 

[Rogue686]

I'm tempted...though if these were .357s instead of the .38s on gun broker, I would have jumped on one by now...just not sure if I need a .38 with the .357s I've got...

 

[stantheman86]

$210 is a great price for a tight, functional 64 even if they are holster buffed, etc. If what I'm seeing at gun shows is any representation, they are all showing at least a decade of holster carry and use, but these are duty guns, not safe queens. I think Brinks used DAO 64's, but I'm guessing a large security or armored car company just traded in a whole lot of 10's and 64's.

From what I have read, gun makers will buy a LE agency or security companies old guns, for example, hypothetically........S&W sells Loomis-Fargo 10,000 .40 M&P's, for $300 a unit, plus a spare parts contract and armorer training, and Loomis agrees to upgrade their guns with S&W every 7 years.......in addition, S&W will buy back all of Loomis' duty guns, thousands of 10' and 64's,many of which have been in service since the 1980's...... for almost nothing per each gun, maybe $40 a gun. Then S&W will sell the used duty guns to a distributor for like $80-100 each. This is why we are seeing these for $200-210 each.

You won't find 65's for this price, although there's another dealer who has (had?) a bunch of Austrian Customs trade in 65's for about $300 or so.

Overall, I say get them now.......it won't be long before we stop seeing large quantities of trade-in S&W revolvers. The LE agencies went to autoloaders years ago, now the security companies are getting rid of the wheelguns. I think in 5 years we will all be saying "Man I remember those $200 S&W 10's and 64's!"

The last I saw prices like these, was about 10 years ago I saw a table full of holster beat Model 10 4" HB's (don't remember what - number) mixed in with Taurus 82's and they were marked "S-W Taurus .38 any $150" and people were gobbling those up.......

 

[Rogue686]

You won't find 65's for this price, although there's another dealer who has (had?) a bunch of Austrian Customs trade in 65's for about $300 or so.

It is a great price, which caught my attention. If you ever learn of that dealer, I'd love it if you'd let me know...favorite wheel gun calibers are the .357 and .41 that Smith made...

We'll see how the seller answers my email, and I may pounce on one.

 

[mjb99]

Thanks again, all...especially the info on which engineering changes are available. I could certainly live with a -5 or -6. I will have to shoot them an email I suppose!

Matt

 

[stantheman86]

They seem like good people to deal with, they answered my email quickly and I called them to pay for my 10-14 and the transaction was smooth. Now I just wait for my 10-14 to arrive at my dealer and hope I got a good one!

I love 4" Round Butt Heavy Barrel 10's and 64's, and so I would go for a RB -5 and I think all the -6's are RB's. If I got a RB -5 the first thing I would do is put newer style factory Magnas on it.

I always take the "reviews" on deals like this with a grain of salt, since some people pay $200 for a sight-unseen trade in duty gun and then when it's not NIB unfired are unhappy I've seen it happen before.......I'm sure anyone looking for a utility gun that they don't have to worry about the cosmetics of, will be happy. Perfect range guns, carry pieces, truck and tackle box guns, etc.

I believe the 64-6's have the frame mounted firing pins, and the -5's have MIM triggers but are the last 64's with hammer mounted firing pins. I don't have my SC of S&W here and I don't know as much about 64's as I do the 10's.

 

[Swiftmotoring]

Interesting the 64's are advertised at $249 on the Sportsmans website. Seems like a good deal if I could get one with wooden grips.

 

[Tyrod]

The Gunbroker ones SOSSDIRECT still had wood grips as of noon monday.

 

[TAROMAN]

I called SOSSDIRECT to close the deal on the one I ordered off GB. Spoke with ryan there. Very friendly and helpful. I wanted a no-lock one, round butt, with wood stocks, if available.
Ryan said the guns are all w/o lock.
The wood stocks are on SB guns.
All RB guns come with goodyears.

So, my RB is on the way. Stocks i can find. And another pair of rubbers for the ever-growing junk box.

 

[BobR1]

Blacksheep
I was the one bidding against Ben on that 64. He got a super deal on that one. I have satalite internet, and on my last bid attempt I could not bring the gun up to place my bid on it with 3 or 4 minutes left.
It looked very clean in the pictures. It should make him a great gun.

My guess is most of these guns are going to be Security Guard guns, Armored Car Guard guns, or Prison Guard guns. I doubt anyone doing the ordering is worried about the lock, MIM Parts, or 2 Piece Barrels. The locks are not used, and very seldom give any problems, so no big deal if they have the lock or not.

Bob

 

[rd97]

I just received mine from Ryan. I am a happy camper. The gun shows very little wear and is a -6 with RB. I'm so glad to have another 64. Like a dummy I sold my last one but that won't happen again.