Chicago is Seriously Stupid

[pharmer]

So 21 y/0 female arranges to sell dog to 14 y/o kid. At the meetup, kid pulls pellet gun and conks seller over the head with said BB gun, tries to run off with dog. Victim pulls real gun (probably .22 or .25) and shoots assailant in the chest. Victim has all Illinois papers in order but no carry permit. Gets charged. I'm about ready to start a go-fund-me for the victim's defense. Joe
Illinois girl, 14, tried to rob woman who shot her in chest, both charged, Chicago police say | Fox News

 

[moosedog]

Reminds me of some of the stories that came out of the UK in the 1970's. We are headed down the same road.

 

[kobsw]

So 21 y/0 female arranges to sell dog to 14 y/o kid. At the meetup, kid pulls pellet gun and conks seller over the head with said BB gun, tries to run off with dog. Victim pulls real gun (probably .22 or .25) and shoots assailant in the chest. Victim has all Illinois papers in order but no carry permit. Gets charged. I'm about ready to start a go-fund-me for the victim's defense. Joe
Illinois girl, 14, tried to rob woman who shot her in chest, both charged, Chicago police say | Fox News

phamer, your thread title is misleading since the anti America/anti Constitution democratic socialists movement in this country is anything but stupid.

It consists of large donors from elites both here and abroad that have strategically taken over the media, entertainment, professional sports, .edu and .gov while muting the majority into inaction by convincing us that their tenants are morally superior to ours. In fact they use shame, falsehoods and vicious public attacks to make examples of anyone who opposes their perverse doctrine.

On top of that they are extremely coordinated, organized and have an unwavering commitment to destroy our once Great Republic. I fear that unless we start getting fully invested, find true leaders that will follow the founders' original intent and support them regardless of the propaganda the left will attempt to deceive us with, we'll be quickly stripped of our sacred freedoms.

It's time to take up our station and hold fast.

We have and still are underestimating their distain of free men, our nation is in great peril.

Kobsw

 

[Bubba2014]

I believe we are very close to anarchy.

 

[Wise_A]

Is a concealed carry license required in Chicago?

Did she have a concealed carry license at the time?

That's what "Unlawful Use of a Weapon" is in Illinois--you carried concealed without the permit required. That's what she got charged with, she's not a martyr, this is not the "end times", de-rustle your jimmies.

 

[Ziggy2525]

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That's what "Unlawful Use of a Weapon" is in Illinois--you carried concealed without the permit required. That's what she got charged with, she's not a martyr, this is not the "end times", de-rustle your jimmies.

This is what was in the article I read. The female victim had a permit to own a pistol, but not carry one. Either the police chief or DA (don't remember) said she wouldn't have been arrested if she would have had a carry permit.

 

[bigwheelzip]

Reminds me of the Bernie Goetz case.

 

[ladder13]

In other news the Chiraq police Chief was fired today.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ses-n1094301&usg=AOvVaw2a86useJSIcqxi-wq_V5c9

 

[Borderboss]

Yep, Chiraq is pretty unique. I would expect that the SJWs that run the Cook County State's Attorney's office will drop the charges on the victim, but I wouldn't bet money on it necessarily. They tend to favor folks from "da community", but then they hate guns, so there will be a conflict.

In the end, it would be better to just get the dang CCL. But while Illinois is a "shall issue" state, the law also allows the county sheriff to put the kabosh on it. The sheriff then has to prove why he/she doesn't want it to be issued, and if it's not a truly legit issue, then the CCL gets issued, but it does allow the sheriff to slow things down. And that's what the Cook County sheriff has been doing in a lot of cases.

Glad I:
1. Got my CCL in the first batch after the law went into effect.
2. Don't live in Cook County.

Too bad the victim wasn't a more effective shot. The 14-year-old is probably going to hurt a lot of people over the years ahead, and that could have been stopped now.

 

[ispcapt]

And that's what the Cook County sheriff has been doing in a lot of cases.

Actually, the sheriff hasn't done that. There hasn't been that many cases where any sheriff in the state has filed an objection. The objections filed have involved people who have had repeated run-ins with LE which flag them. There's criteria for filing objections and they've been followed closely.

 

[pharmer]

Is a concealed carry license required in Chicago?

Did she have a concealed carry license at the time?

That's what "Unlawful Use of a Weapon" is in Illinois--you carried concealed without the permit required. That's what she got charged with, she's not a martyr, this is not the "end times", de-rustle your jimmies.

Well, there's the ultimate solution, have the proper papers. Kein angst. Joe

 

[Borderboss]

Actually, the sheriff hasn't done that. There hasn't been that many cases where any sheriff in the state has filed an objection. The objections filed have involved people who have had repeated run-ins with LE which flag them. There's criteria for filing objections and they've been followed closely.

Feel free to quote your sources on that. It's well known that the CCLs for Cook County residents take much longer than anywhere else in the state, because the sheriff's office is holding up their part.

 

[vytoland]

In other news the Chiraq police Chief was fired today.

no great loss.. this should have happened years ago.....gangs run wild and shoot at any thing that moves.........the common response after the incident....."the police have no one in custody".....

 

[delcrossv]

In other news the Chiraq police Chief was fired today.

no great loss.. this should have happened years ago.....gangs run wild and shoot at any thing that moves.........the common response after the incident....."the police have no one in custody".....

Well, knocking back a few too many, passing out in your car and then getting caught lying about it will do that. Even in Chicago.

Johnson was a hack- so will the new one, but he'll be Lightfoot's hack and that makes all the difference in this town.

 

[ispcapt]

Feel free to quote your sources on that. It's well known that the CCLs for Cook County residents take much longer than anywhere else in the state, because the sheriff's office is holding up their part.

You're the one making the WAG asserting it as fact. Please cite your source. I'll give you a hint where to find it below.
You can look at my user name. Do you think I might have a bit more knowledge than someone who spreads erroneous internet rumors with no basis in fact other than their imagination? Your "well known" guess simply isn't supported by facts. The actual facts also don't support your "well known" imagination that Cook County residents take longer.
You're the ones making the allegations with nothing supporting your claim other than your "well known" imagination. Before your imagination overcomes your zeal you might look at the legislative report. The ISP is required to file an annual report which includes the number of appeals.
The last data I have close by is in 1 month there were 8722 applications for CCW from Cook Co. The sheriff objected to 240 of those. Of the 240, 5 were already denied for felony convictions, 88 domestic battery, 77 prior gun arrests, 52 arrests for battery/assault, and 27 for agg batt. Some of those objected to by the sheriff were under age. These convictions and under age would have been caught during the background but the sheriff filed objects before the backgrounds were completed.
A sheriff cannot just arbitrarily object to a CCW. There are criteria they have to follow. 240 out of 8722 puts it in perspective particularly given the records those had, including the 5 who applied who had felony and domestic battery convictions. Automatic prohibitions for owning a firearm.

 

[Borderboss]

You're the one making the WAG asserting it as fact. Please cite your source. I'll give you a hint where to find it below.
You can look at my user name. Do you think I might have a bit more knowledge than someone who spreads erroneous internet rumors with no basis in fact other than their imagination? Your "well known" guess simply isn't supported by facts. The actual facts also don't support your "well known" imagination that Cook County residents take longer.
You're the ones making the allegations with nothing supporting your claim other than your "well known" imagination. Before your imagination overcomes your zeal you might look at the legislative report. The ISP is required to file an annual report which includes the number of appeals.
The last data I have close by is in 1 month there were 8722 applications for CCW from Cook Co. The sheriff objected to 240 of those. Of the 240, 5 were already denied for felony convictions, 88 domestic battery, 77 prior gun arrests, 52 arrests for battery/assault, and 27 for agg batt. Some of those objected to by the sheriff were under age. These convictions and under age would have been caught during the background but the sheriff filed objects before the backgrounds were completed.
A sheriff cannot just arbitrarily object to a CCW. There are criteria they have to follow. 240 out of 8722 puts it in perspective particularly given the records those had, including the 5 who applied who had felony and domestic battery convictions. Automatic prohibitions for owning a firearm.

This is good information. Thanks for the update. For those paying attention to the minutia, we're referencing this piece of the statute:

430 ILCS 66/15
Sec. 15. Objections by law enforcement agencies.
(a) Any law enforcement agency may submit an objection to a license applicant based upon a reasonable suspicion that the applicant is a danger to himself or herself or others, or a threat to public safety. The objection shall be made by the chief law enforcement officer of the law enforcement agency, or his or her designee, and must include any information relevant to the objection. If a law enforcement agency submits an objection within 30 days after the entry of an applicant into the database, the Department shall submit the objection and all information available to the Board under State and federal law related to the application to the Board within 10 days of completing all necessary background checks.

Does the ISP wait the 30 days for pertinent law enforcement agencies to see if they want to object even if all the background checks are completed, or does the ISP move forward if all the background checks come back clean but we're within the 30-day window?

 

[ispcapt]

Does the ISP wait the 30 days for pertinent law enforcement agencies to see if they want to object even if all the background checks are completed, or does the ISP move forward if all the background checks come back clean but we're within the 30-day window?

The depts have 30 days. It takes longer than 30 days to do the backgrounds. Backgrounds take time to review anything found. While the number of CCW applications have dropped off since the beginning there are still thousands a month.

 

[jhnttrpp]

Most likely she could have never gotten a permit to carry.

 

[THEmodelof1989]

Some of these comments have me laughing so hard. I hope you boys are wearing yalls tin foil hats.

 

[Borderboss]

The depts have 30 days. It takes longer than 30 days to do the backgrounds. Backgrounds take time to review anything found. While the number of CCW applications have dropped off since the beginning there are still thousands a month.

I thought that might be the case, but wanted to ask. Thanks for the update.

It's good to know that Dart isn't trying to stand in the way of the process. He made noise like he would back at the beginning. Now more county residents need to arm themselves legally.