CMMG joins LEO Boycott

[Nightowl]

Why cant you just let the courts deal with this (also in the constitution) like a real American rather than 3rd world radical with you anti government attitude. You are all supporting people being killed over a piece of plastic with a spring.

Lets see now. Are you willing to be arrested, have your property confiscated, spend 10-15 years of you life and million or more dollars to let the courts decide??? Get real. Only a convicted murderer or child molester can get a left wing lawyer to take their case to the Supreme Court!

If you look at the Federalist papers, it was exactly this issue that the the 2nd amendment was created for. So that the people could defend themselves against an abusive government.

Oh, by the way, the left wing politicians that are working so hard to take away our guns, know perfectly well that it will not solve the crime problem. VP Biden is on take saying the same thing. Their agenda is to disarm America! The rest is just window dressing to get their way.

 

[gm272gs]

Thomas Jefferson said it best.
...<Declaration of Independence>...

Just clarifying that the Declaration was written by a committee comprised of Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Roger Sherman, Robert Livingston, and Thomas Jefferson. It was first drafted by Jefferson, revised by the committee, sent to the Continental Congress, revised, rewritten, revised again, and then settled upon, before getting signed by fifty six people and sent to John Dunlap's print shop.

It is interesting that the Continental Congress tried doing this with two similar letters of grievances to the King since their formation in 1774. Those letters were ignored by the King, so they figured they ought to make things a bit more clear.

What can I say, I went to Independence Hall and the National Archives last summer, and it was fascinating.

 

[handejector]

Does seem to go against forum rules, however when this board runs ads, like the attached, it makes me wonder if political posts are allowed.
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No, a political ad does not mean general political discussion is allowed.
A political ad only means that we run hundreds of thousands of random ads every month.
They are provided by an ad server. We don't pick every one of hundreds of thousands of ads.
If that bothers you, there are lots of gun boards to hang out on.

 

[wbraswell]

History is full of benevolent tyrants. Most of them truely believed they knew what was best for their people. They were still tyrants, and most got what they had coming to them. You do know that in the 30s all military, police and civilians had to swear alliegence to Hitler. Did that mean that they weren't responsible for their conduct, since they were following orders? Tyrants need good men to carry out their bad ideas. Then they become bad men by association. The police are really in a no win situation, if they take a side. I really don't think any law officer is in jeopardy just because he has a 10 round magazine. Sound familiar?

 

[venomballistics]

"The emotional responses and decisions being made right now are extremely dangerous and short sighted."

Hmmm like the emotional response to put LEOs that have nothing to do with this issue in harms way so you can prove a point....
Nothing says told you so like a family and a department loosing a loved one.

well .. you seem to illustrate one small part of a very large problem.
will police find hardships in these boycotts? yup, your right they eventually will.
However Police represent less than 1% of the population, all of whom have been thrust into harms way by this latest batch of poor legislation.
for every officer that dies in the line of duty, just how many citizens get murdered? and how much will that rate accelerate for their greatly diminished capacity to mount a physical defense?
A blood bath is about to ensue in these areas due to the laws within them.
Gangs already run their hoods with near impunity. Now, due to these laws, the doors to expansion of these criminal empires have been burst wide open. there will be turf wars, there will be cross fire, there will be innocent by standers caught in that crossfire. there will be a further rise in home invasion, muggings, robberies.
Until you see this part of the problem as well. You have no grasp of the problem at all.

 

[yaktamer]

... i can only hope that you are put on a list somewhere in a government computer and tracked for your treasonous statements.

Wow. Methinks a little research into the meaning of the words "terrorism" and "treason" is in order. And it was really awesome how the FBI kept secret files on traitors like Martin Luther King, huh?

 

[MaximumLawman]

CM who? Never saw one of their products in a police car in the last 25 years. As far as cops fighting "the government"....Everybody's a freedom fighter until their pension and family's future is on the line. If the leaders YOU elect make it a felony to posses a 15 round magazine and you get caught with one, shame on you. Don't blame the cops for enforcing the laws that your leaders have declared to be constitutional, blame yourself for not recalling the politicians who vote against your interests.

 

[jframe]

Sometimes the people have to show government who really is in power and that just works with refusing to cooperate. I wish the american people would stick more together as one and organize huge peaceful demonstrations. If that does not work we can do it the European/French way..

The people did decide they voted the President and Governors and senate members that voted this all in. You sir are talking about terrorism and i can only hope that you are put on a list somewhere in a government computer and tracked for your treasonous statements.[/QUOTE]

You wouldn't, by any chance, be a MEMBER of this administration, would you?? Damn sure sound like one to me.

 

[kozmic]

Excuse me but isn't that anarchy?

I know as an Air Force officer, I took an oath to obey all lawful orders and laws of the US. Do we really want law enforcement to pick & choose what laws they will obey? Just because we may disagree does not give us the right to disobey. Protest? Yes, but refuse to obey... no. Challenge the validity of the law in the courts? Yes, but not disobey.

Out of curiosity and with all due respect Jim, when you get pulled over for speeding do you hope the LEO gives you a "warning" or do you perhaps even ask for one? Would you protest being cited for j walking or any number of somewhat ridiculous but none-the-less "laws" which are on the books?

I assume you've probably done both at some point or another. Are those laws ok to selectively enforce but others aren't? I'm not condoning breaking laws but I believe our LEO do have some latitude to assess the situation and react accordingly and responsibly. Within reason and with common sense of course. It happens every day and if we are in anarchy in American it's not because cops are letting folks due 60mph in a 55 zone or roll through a stop sign.

Just my take!

 

[Majorlk]

Sometimes the people have to show government who really is in power and that just works with refusing to cooperate. I wish the american people would stick more together as one and organize huge peaceful demonstrations. If that does not work we can do it the European/French way..

The people did decide they voted the President and Governors and senate members that voted this all in. You sir are talking about terrorism and i can only hope that you are put on a list somewhere in a government computer and tracked for your treasonous statements.[/QUOTE]

WOW!!! Your last sentence is so outrageous, as to be almost unbelievable. Defending America from a tyrannical government is exactly what the founding father had in mind when the 2nd amendment was added to the Bill of Rights. It's exactly why the Revolutionary War was fought. Defense against tyranny CANNOT be treason.

 

[LVSteve]

"The emotional responses and decisions being made right now are extremely dangerous and short sighted."

Hmmm like the emotional response to put LEOs that have nothing to do with this issue in harms way so you can prove a point....
Nothing says told you so like a family and a department loosing a loved one.

If we take it that LEOs are there to serve and protect the community, and that community in the form of the state chooses to ban something in that state, then LEOs are affected just the same. I'm not seeing your issue.

 

[vipermd]

I quoted the guy in the Army. I thought it superfluous to reiterate that my training came from the Corps, what with the EG&A in my profile.

My Apology, I missed the quote.

 

[Marshwheeling]

Not if the law itself goes against the constitution. Just because a court says that the law is constitutional does not means that it actually is.

Actually it does. Who else is supposed to say whether a given law is constitutional? You?

I'll take 200-odd years of constitutional jurisprudence over your opinion, even if I disagree.

The courts will eventually get to rule on whether the New York statute is constitutional. As the law now stands, the right to keep and bear arms is personal, subject to "reasonable" regulation by the government (whatever that means). I would expect a lot of the legal debate to turn on what is reasonable and what is not.

A lot of the comments here bear directly on the issue of reasonableness. Arguments that weigh the effectiveness of any provision against the burden on legitimate gun owners are likely to be persuasive.

 

[4506517]

So let me be one of the LEOs to say great. I agree with the manufacturers. "What happens if a mag breaks?". Dude, seriously? Come on. I took an oath to uphold the STATE constitution. It says my right to bear arms "shall not be infringed". So if the state infringes it, I should still obey an order from the state? What kind of sense does that make?

If civilians can't own the "cool stuff" why should law enforcement? Oh that's right, so law enforcement won't be "outgunned" by the citizens? Last time I checked I was a PUBLIC SERVANT not a public oppressor.

Get real. You guys who say law enforcement should have the "good stuff" but civilians shouldn't need a reality check.