Dezfan
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Yet that is exactly what our current Executive has done multiple times. Desiding what laws he chooses to enforce or not.
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Yet that is exactly what our current Executive has done multiple times. Desiding what laws he chooses to enforce or not.
I personally think that a lot of people are not aware of the wonderful constitution this country has and how it is granting them so many privileges and rights!
I guess it is related to the fact that the constitution has never been really infringed so badly that millions of people were killed by their own government, therefore a lot of people don't really see the importance of this historic document.
As a legal immigrant to the US I took an oath on 5 principles:
These principles are:
allegiance to the United States Constitution,
renunciation of allegiance to any foreign country to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances
defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"
promise to serve in the United States Armed Forces when required by law (either combat or non-combat)
promise to perform civilian duties of "national importance" when required by law
Those principles can be found in 8 C.F.R. Part 337.
I guess it is related to the fact that the constitution has never been really infringed so badly that millions of people were killed by their own government, therefore a lot of people don't really see the importance of this historic document.
As a legal immigrant to the US I took an oath on 5 principles:
These principles are:
allegiance to the United States Constitution,
renunciation of allegiance to any foreign country to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances
defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"
promise to serve in the United States Armed Forces when required by law (either combat or non-combat)
promise to perform civilian duties of "national importance" when required by law
Those principles can be found in 8 C.F.R. Part 337.
A soldier disobeying an order of his officer to shoot a kid is wrong for doing so?
He is not, the soldier has to disobey!
The executive branch, by disobeying a law they consider unconstitutional, is enforcing the rights of the people. How exactly is that wrong?
If they would rule a unconstitutional law as constitutional because they feel so and infringe the rights of the people because of that decision, that would be a major problem.
By the way, thank you for everybody for not escalating this very important topic!
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Majorlk
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A convicted felon FORFEITS his rights as a consequence of his ACTIONS.
A minor has no legal rights, or responsibilities - multiple courts rulings.
Yes, it is free speech - BUT THE PERSON IS HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESULTS OF HIS ACTIONS. There is NO PRIOR RESTRAINT.
And this whole discussion is about PRIOR RESTRAINT. Shall Not Be Infringed means NO PRIOR RESTRAINT.
Majorlk
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Absolutely!
The phrase is to "Preserve, Protect and Defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. ...
Not a thing about unlawful orders.
jacksrbtr46
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Personally I am tired of being treated like a Criminal. I was good enough to carry a gun for my country, I should be good enough to carry one for myself, until I demonstrate that I am not. Criminals don't care about laws. Laws are like locks, they only keep the honest, honest. It seems today that they are after the law abiding Citizen because we are easy and don't shoot back.
And there are a lot of frogs on this forum.
I think Soros has a frog farm out there somewhere.
Fighting the symptoms not the illness...
But you are right.. In Afghanistan I used everything from grenades,the good old LAW66, C4 and lots of other fun stuff. Now I am not allowed to open carry my firearm but have to hide it under my clothes like a thug, because the law says so...
RedNeck Jim
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Did you make that up on your own or is that defined somewhere?
But if we take your definition, a LEO who refuses to enforce a valid law passed by the legislature & signed by the executive, would therefore be a domestic enemy? That law was enacted per the Constitution & the Bill of Rights... correct?
How did we go from have political discourse & disagreements to one side saying the other is subverting the Constitution? Can we not all agree to disagree without labeling someone you disagree with as the enemy of the state?
zotzer
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LEOs can and do intepret and enforce laws every single day. And yes, as citizens, the Constitution belongs to US, and we DO get to interpret what it means. The courts, they will have the last word as to whether that interpretation is right or wrong. First, however, they must have the case....something that forces a decision. THIS is where it is the DUTY of a law-abiding citizen to civily disobey tyrannical "laws".
Let's make a blunt example, so as to erase all confusion. If congress enacted a law tomorrow that all children under five must be cast out of the country, or exterminated, would you propose that LEOs enforce the law up and until a court told them not to?
Didn't think so.
Tracy
Let's make a blunt example, so as to erase all confusion. If congress enacted a law tomorrow that all children under five must be cast out of the country, or exterminated, would you propose that LEOs enforce the law up and until a court told them not to?
Didn't think so.
Tracy
Any infringment of any right, unless your practice of that right infringes on anothers rights, is uncontitutional.
That is the whole point. Just because our fore fathers traded their rights for a false sence of security does not mean I agree with them.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, 1775
That is the whole point. Just because our fore fathers traded their rights for a false sence of security does not mean I agree with them.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, 1775
Maybe ask this guy
cherrypick? subverting?? what's the difference?
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/301049-cmmg-joins-leo-boycott.html#post137049454
DAM, just when I was going to get that Dept approved black powder 50 cal upper for work, they come out with this.
Of course maybe they should understand, like here in CA, politicians dont care, they dont care if LE has any weapons (except their bodygaurds) so this stuff only aids their agenda. Same as those that wont ship to CA because of an extra 5 minutes computer work.
Also its a bold statement but wonder how many LE contract CMMG actually fills.
Great get us fighting amongst ourselves, they win either way. My .02
Of course maybe they should understand, like here in CA, politicians dont care, they dont care if LE has any weapons (except their bodygaurds) so this stuff only aids their agenda. Same as those that wont ship to CA because of an extra 5 minutes computer work.
Also its a bold statement but wonder how many LE contract CMMG actually fills.
Great get us fighting amongst ourselves, they win either way. My .02
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Tell that to Rosa Parks!
You sir are correct. Someone, I believe it was you, pointed out that the majority had spoken with the elections. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights was established to protect us from the Tyranny of the Majority. However, when an enemy of the Constitution, foreign or domestic attempts to undermine that Constitution, we have a duty to resist any way possible. Is it not better to fight financially than physically? When the Philadelphia police chief supports the current attempt to ban of modern sporting weapons because it's a good place to start and then go after semi-automatic pistols, when the San Diego police chief says with the right laws we can disarm America within a generation, then there is something ROTTEN and it is not in the State of Denmark, it is within our own borders.
Does anyone really think that Feinstein, et. al. will stop with AR-15's, M&P 15-22's and such. Remember we are talking about someone from the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia and a former Mayor of San Francisco. She's not going to stop if she gets her way this time. It will go on and on and on in the name of safety of the American people.
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The only reason there is fighting amongst ourselves is because some gun owners live in fantasy land and the rest of us live in the real world.
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It is logical to assume that if a certain make or style of pistol or rifle is useful for an officer in defense of himself and others, that same fire arm or accessory, such as high capacity magazine, suppressor, etc., is of equal use to a private citizen for the same purpose.
It might be even more useful to the private citizen because the police cannot be everywhere at once and often they arrive "after the fact." The private citizen frequently has to deal with the problem without back-up and without the same resources as the police.
That being the case, it seems logical that a private citizen might have an even greater need for such types of fire arms and accessories as the police find useful for self-defense and defense of others.
I do not like the "us" and "them" attitude, and I cringe when I hear police refer to "us" as "civilians," apparently not realizing they are also "civilians."
Thus, I wish we did not have a divide, which mainly seems to be at the "political" or management level with police administrators often actively supporting the political agendas of the politicians from whom they got their jobs. The problem is when the rank and file are drawn in to a scenario into which they had neither a say or control.
I would like to remind everyone that CMMG's press release seems to refer to agencies and not individual officers, so maybe there is a middle ground here that some of the posters on this thread are not seeing. They mention an exception for agencies that have taken a stand, and perhaps that includes agencies or officers even in those states that have enacted anti-gun laws.
Just a thought.
I wish all of you a good day as we all go about trying to find our way in this unfortunate mess we all seem to be in at this moment in history.
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A number of members of this board, and the vast majority of the public are in denial, or are ignorant of, the enormity of the threat our constitution currently faces.
I'm fully behind CMMG and the other companies.
I'm fully behind CMMG and the other companies.
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I don't know where that comes from, but I am insulted!
I accidently hit the like button instead of the reply button, so disregard the like. It is unlike! for sure.
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