CMP 1911's

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Civilian Marksmanship Program May Soon Offer Vintage M1911A1 Pistols Civilian Marksmanship Program May Soon Offer Vintage M1911A1 Pistols | OutdoorHub
Civilian Marksmanship Program May Soon Offer Vintage M1911A1 Pistols
Firearm collectors may soon be able to get their hands on vintage 1911 pistols through the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP), thanks to an...
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So how would someone get on the list to buy one?

 

[ladder13]

They may sell them on a first come basis, like they do with regular Garands or auction them off like they do with M1D's and M1C's and other collectible long guns.
I'll be watching for sure either way.,

 

[shawn mccarver]

I would be shocked if Congess approved and either Obama signed, or his veto was overridden. Don't hold your breath.

 

[Grayfox]

I'd love to see it happen, but I ain't holding my breath.

 

[H Richard]

I'm not setting aside any funds for one of these, I don't think they will ever be available. Hope I am wrong, but will wait and see.

 

[mrrick]

Apparently CMP must change part of their charter to sell handguns.

Not likely to get approval by current administration in any case.

 

[moosedog]

They will probably have an import stamp like a bill board. May even require one of those orange cones permanently attached to the muzzle.

 

[alwslate]

The reality is that the Government owned 1911s really are obsolete.
According to what I've read no 1911s have been purchased since 1945
and all probably have been refurbished several times. If sold the prices
probably would not be cheap and lots of money could be raised. The
old single action single stack 45s are pretty tame compared to what
consumers can buy everywhere today so the time may have come.

 

[Fishinfool]

I'm still waiting for them to release their stash of .45c SAA's....

Larry

 

[LittleCooner]

This move of these guns to the CMP could take place. These guns are stored at the Anniston Army Depot and the CMP operations is in Anniston, so the physical transfer would be simple and the idea of keeping the $ 2 per gun per year fee on storage is not conducive to good management. The CMP appears to the only legal way for the Government to move these "obsolete" guns into the marksmanship program. The $ 20 million shooting range by the CMP is now open and headed to the first year of operations this summer. Let us hope these pistols make their way to the CMP. I will be getting on the list. For those of you who want to become listed to purchase from the CMP, start now, as it took a few months for my approval years ago and there was no rush created by new products at that time. It could take a few weeks, M Orest runs the CMP and it is something to visit the facilities and see how large they are and how well managed the activity has become. I hope to make a trip to the new range and participate in the 22RF pistol matches some time this summer.

 

[usm1rifle]

This move of these guns to the CMP could take place. These guns are stored at the Anniston Army Depot and the CMP operations is in Anniston, so the physical transfer would be simple and the idea of keeping the $ 2 per gun per year fee on storage is not conducive to good management. The CMP appears to the only legal way for the Government to move these "obsolete" guns into the marksmanship program. The $ 20 million shooting range by the CMP is now open and headed to the first year of operations this summer. Let us hope these pistols make their way to the CMP. I will be getting on the list. For those of you who want to become listed to purchase from the CMP, start now, as it took a few months for my approval years ago and there was no rush created by new products at that time. It could take a few weeks, M Orest runs the CMP and it is something to visit the facilities and see how large they are and how well managed the activity has become. I hope to make a trip to the new range and participate in the 22RF pistol matches some time this summer.

Both Orest and his wife, Nina retired last year.

As stated by another poster above, the CMP would need a charter change to sell any weapons but long guns. Don't think this will happen in DC.

 

[reddog81]

I could be wrong but I heard that the law that would authorize the transfer would also authorize the CMP to sell handguns.

I really would like to see this happen as the CMP needs additional sources of revenue as the stockpile of Garands shrinks. However the likely hood of this happening given the political climate not very likely. According to an article yesterday in the Huffington Post Even the Army is opposed to releasing the guns to the CMP. They don't want untraceable military-grade handguns set loose on the streets...

 

[ladder13]

The reality is that the Government owned 1911s really are obsolete.
According to what I've read no 1911s have been purchased since 1945
and all probably have been refurbished several times. If sold the prices
probably would not be cheap and lots of money could be raised. The
old single action single stack 45s are pretty tame compared to what
consumers can buy everywhere today so the time may have come.

I'll take a few of those obsolete guns should they become available.

 

[ladder13]

Huff Post:

A spokesman for Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said his boss agreed with the Army and would try to strip the amendment.
"This provision, which the Army has said it does not want or need, could potentially put nearly 100,000 untraceable .45-caliber military-grade handguns on our streets," the spokesman, Michael Amato, said in an email. "This provision is an unnecessary risk."




These guns were made before serial numbers? Military grade? Scary!

 

[Jessie]

Was wondering if you bought from the CMP in the past(15 yrs.ago) would you already be on their list and approved?
I'm sure you'd still have to show a current affiliation with an approved gun club.

 

[usm1rifle]

Was wondering if you bought from the CMP in the past(15 yrs.ago) would you already be on their list and approved?
I'm sure you'd still have to show a current affiliation with an approved gun club.

If your approval form is 3 years old or older, you must submit a new, notarized application and other required documents.

 

[LittleCooner]

From today's news


WASHINGTON — An amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) offered by Congressman Mike Rogers (R-AL3) and approved by the U.S. House Thursday would allow Americans who can lawfully own a handgun to purchase retired .45cal Colt 1911 sidearms from the military.
By expanding the decades-old Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP), the amendment will make available approximately 100,000 of the weapons up for purchase by members of CMP-affiliated clubs provided they can prove:

– They are a US citizen
– Of the legal age
– Belong to a CMP organization
– Provide proof of marksmanship or firearms-related activity, including: military, law enforcement, firearms instructor, hunter safety course with live fire training
– Are legally able to own a firearm
– Pass a background check by FBI NICS and any state firearms license, permit or ID requirements.

"As a gun owner and strong believer in the Second Amendment," Rep. Rogers told Yellowhammer News Friday afternoon, "my proposal is a common-sense approach to eliminating an unnecessary cost to the Federal government while allowing the very capable CMP to handle the sale of these vintage firearms that otherwise would just sit in storage. This amendment is a win – win for the taxpayer. I was pleased the amendment passed the committee and appreciate the support my colleagues on this proposal."

Rogers' amendment was derided by some in the media as a way for "untraceable" guns to be shuttled onto the market, an argument that was quickly shown to be fallacious by supporters.

The NRA sent Rep. Rogers a letter of gratitude for his work on introducing the amendment highlighting the importance of the program.

"As you are aware," wrote NRA director of Federal Affairs Jason Ouimet, "the CMP performs an important role in providing instruction on responsible firearms use through safety training, marksmanship training and competitions. The CMP's primary source of funding comes from the sale of surplus military rifles, parts, and ammunition transferred to the CMP from the U.S. Army. Allowing the U.S. Army to transfer surplus M1911A1 pistols to the CMP for resale would help ensure the CMP's funding for the future."

The NDAA, including Rogers' amendment was approved by the U.S. House Thursday, and travels next to the Senate.

 

[BudMan5]

This has already sailed past the House and the same will happen in the Senate. Because it is an amendment to the NDAA, it will most likely be signed by Obama with little fanfare.

The Army is just taking the progressive line ordered by the White House. The senior leadership is following the age old Army heirarchy policy of "going along to get along".

As far as being traceable, it is pure smoke and mirrors. The pistols are all marked US property and as are all military weapons, serial numbered. If the ATF had a pistol that was so marked, all they would have to do is call CMP and see if it was one of the pistols that was (soon to be) sold. Apparently the ATF is too stupid to think of that. The National Trace agency , when looking at where a firearm came from, starts with the manufacturer. Apparently the Army and the ATF cannot figure out on their own that the new "manufacturer of record" would be the CMP.

Typical Federal alphabet agency nonsense.

 

[alwslate]

I'll take a few of those obsolete guns should they become available.

They really are obsolete just like my Garands, 98 Mausers
and several other types I own but if they become available
I wouldn't mind having a couple myself.

 

[kbm6893]

I've bought a few Garands from the CMP and would be interested in a 1911. But I have a feeling that UNLIKE the reasonably priced Garands, these 1911's will be big bucks. They might even go the M1 Carbine route and auction them for big bucks. They're not worth what a high end 1911 is going for.

I'll stay tuned though. Nothing on the CMP website.