Colt Delta or Dan Wesson 10mm?

[Cashfan]

I have become increasingly intrigued with 10mm and am beginning to look very seriously at purchasing one. I looked at the Glock 20, but don't really care for it. 1911's fit me much better. I looked at Colt Delta today and liked it a lot. I know where there is a Dan Wesson Silverback I can look at when I get a chance to take a little drive, but I'm pretty sure it'll feel better in my hand than the Colt. I already own a Dan Wesson in .45 ACP, and I know that fit and finish will far exceed the Colt Delta.

My questions are,

Which one is the more durable gun?
Which one will handle hotter loads?

Is the Dan Wesson going to be prettier, but unable to handle some hot loads? I don't wanna spend the extra money on eye candy, but I would if it is just a better quality gun.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in Advance!

 

[M16]

Neither. I own two STI perfect 10's and couldn't be happier. I liked the first one so much I bought another.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Don't know much about the Colt but you simply cannot beat the quality of Dan Wesson. That I do know.

 

[Cashfan]

Neither. I own two STI perfect 10's and couldn't be happier. I liked the first one so much I bought another.

STI looks like a fantastic 10mm. Might have to try to find one to look at.

 

[Iggy]

I was one of the instigators in the creation of the Razorback 10mm back about 15 years ago.

I liked the Gummint model so well that I called Bob Serva, the owner of DW back then, and asked about a CCO version set up like the Razorback.
He said that sounds like fun. Let's do it.
I've been carrying and shooting these two since then.
I've used many pretty warmish reloads during that time.

So far, so good.

 

[Laketime]

Go with the Dan Wesson for the quality,go with Colt for the name.Colt was at the top of their game when they were up against brands like Singer.

 

[dmar]

IMO, you can't go wrong with either. I don't believe one is any more durable/capable of handling hotter loads, compared to the other. You'll hear some people talk about some stress crack issues on the frame with the Delta Elite, but that was a limited issue with the gen 1 DE. From what I've read, it could happen in an area that did not affect function, and Colt fixed the issue by modifying the cut out area near the slide stop; non-issue, especially with the new ones.

And yes, as you know, the fit and finish on the Dan Wesson is nicer than the Colt, they are very nice. But, the Colt is also very nice, and it does cost significantly less than the Dan Wesson. Honestly, the money was not the issue, it's just that Dan Wessons just don't trip my trigger. I believe that Colt makes an excellent 1911, and if I really want a nice/custom 1911, I'd either have a base Colt customized by a quality smith, or buy a nice a Wilson, or Ed Brown.

I went through the same dilemma last year when I was looking to buy a 10mm 1911. I also looked at the Kimber 10mm 1911. I ended up getting the Delta Elite, and I'm very happy with the decision. At the end of the day, I've had great experiences with my Colt 1911s in terms of quality and function. I figured I could always upgrade a couple things here and there (front strap checkering, beaver tail grip safety) if I really wanted, for around the same money as the DW, but I'd still have a Colt.

Anyway, the Delta Elite is very nice, great trigger, and accurate. Zero function issues, and I've run a variety of loads through it. BTW, I wouldn't go super hot with any 10mm 1911-platform gun... I've got a Glock 29, and have shot some pretty hot stuff through that gun, with no issues.

To sum up, they're both quality guns, and I'd say that you probably already really know what gun you want, you should just go and buy it!

 

[PatriotX]

Better fit and finish? Check.

Feels better in your hand? Check.

Already own and are happy with similar model? Check.


DW seems to be the way to go.

 

[Stirling]

What about the single stack STI Nitro 10? That looks like a decent option.

 

[peh_7]

10mm

Since this IS the Smith & Wesson Forum I'll put in my vote for a good 1006. I have one and a Glock 20 like both better than any 1911 version I've looked at. Glock, EAA and RIA (Armscor) all have 6" models now. EAA has a Match grade model too. What are you going to do with it? I've seen comments about the 1911 design not being strong enough for full power 10mm loads. In the end though it's all personal preference. I just recommend you look at as many models as you can and research the subject thoroughly before you make a commitment.

PEH

 

[Cashfan]

I mostly want it for a range gun, but I would consider deer hunting with it. I've been hunting for two years with a .44, and I love handgun hunting. I won't use a shotgun again.

I want a gun that will withstand a full load; that is a high priority to me. I might not utilize it, but I want the option. If the 1911 style can't handle it, and it looks like it can't (at least without modification that I don't want to do) than i will probably look in another direction.

STI's look really nice but pretty spendy.
SW1006 looks like it is tank, but might be hard to find.

Can the Glock withstand a full load?
Is a different barrel necessary?

The price on a glock is great, but they are so ugly and all they do is hit where I aim. : ) I have a few thousand rounds through my G22 and it is a tack driver, but it doesn't appeal to shoot it anymore, and hasn't been shot in more than a year, maybe even two. I'd rather shoot the 1911's and wheel guns.

They aren't uncomfortable to shoot, but 1911's are more comfortable. I don't think I'd want a 1911 in 10mm if I can't run hot loads through it.

 

[M29since14]

If you plan to shoot a lot of heavy-duty 10mm loads I think you are going to beat up any 1911, no matter who made it, quicker than you might like, but I really don't have a lot of experience to justify that statement. I don't do that with my Colt, mainly because I don't enjoy it.

You've got experience with and like DWs so that is what I would buy, particularly if there is a model that is equipped the way you want it. I would be looking for the usual things in a 1911 - good sights YOU can see, good trigger action, a good barrel that seems to be properly fitted, the "highest" grip safety possible, and (in my case) a checkered front strap. That's what's important to me, but your criteria may be a little different. If the DW happens to have a ramped barrel as opposed to the usual, standard 1911 barrel, I would definitely favor the DW for that reason. I think 1911s in 10mm should have a ramped barrel.

 

[peh_7]

S&W 1006, etc.

The 1006 is very heavy duty and probably one of the strongest. Not sure what your price range is but they are usually available on Gunbroker, etc. for about $1000 + or -. The Glock is also very good but if you don't like the style/feel take a look at the EAAs, based on a CZ design they are also very strong guns and you can get one (in 10mm) at just about any price point, depending on your requirements. I have one of the all steel ones in 38 Super and it's great. I could get a 10mm conversion kit for it but probably would go with a complete gun for the difference in cost.

PEH

 

[stacer]

Can't say anyting about either Colt or Dan Wesson, but I LOVE my frankengun. It looks like a gunsmith got ahold of the best parts he could and built a match 10mm with an Ed brown barrel and bushing, Novak sights andCrimson trace grips. Best $400 1911 varient I've ever got my hands on

 

[moralem]

For the price I went with the Delta. The others are really nice guns but the prices exceed the cost of the colt by at least a third if not double. Picked up my Delta for a grand from Buds. It isn't a tack drive like my glock 20 but I am a fan of the 1911 platform.

 

[Cashfan]

Thanks for all the replies.

I've been going around and around trying to figure out what to do...

Looked at the Glock again. With all the reading I've done, I haven't seen anyone not like their Glock 20 so they are worth a look. They seem to hold up well and are very accurate. The Gen 4 is more comfortable to hold than my Gen 3 G22.

There is no doubt that the 1911 style is more comfortable to hold, I just wish they were tougher. Under normal target shooting and maybe a little hunting it will probably hold up well.

For those that have a 1911 style, what kind of rounds are you running through it and how many?

 

[M29since14]

My Colt Delta Elite model has a ramped Kart barrel that shoots lead like a champ so for target shooting on the indoor range I use a the Lyman 401638 or similar 180-gr LTC at about 900-950 FPS. I've never carried the gun in the field but if I were to do that I have a Blue Dot load with either 200-gr Hornady HP or FMJ that goes about 1100 FPS. Though no .41 Magnum that is a pretty sturdy load, and the best part is that it shoots very well.

I do not get the impression that G20s are "bullet-proof" by any means but maybe you are reading different things. I do know they are popular with some folks who live in big bear territory. Sixteen 10 mm FMJs at close range might be comforting? I'd have to think about that one a bit but my first impression is that if worse came to worse you might not have the time needed to fire more than six rounds anyway. I wouldn't know about any of that but I do know the G20s don't please me in a lot of other ways.

I'd stick with a DW or maybe an STI properly configured the way you want it. My Colt was a "parts gun" until a good pistolsmith got his hands on it. Maybe Colt DEs are a lot better these days? JMHO.

 

[Cashfan]

My Colt Delta Elite model has a ramped Kart barrel that shoots lead like a champ so for target shooting on the indoor range I use a the Lyman 401638 or similar 180-gr LTC at about 900-950 FPS. I've never carried the gun in the field but if I were to do that I have a Blue Dot load with either 200-gr Hornady HP or FMJ that goes about 1100 FPS. Though no .41 Magnum that is a pretty sturdy load, and the best part is that it shoots very well.

I do not get the impression that G20s are "bullet-proof" by any means but maybe you are reading different things. I do know they are popular with some folks who live in big bear territory. Sixteen 10 mm FMJs at close range might be comforting? I'd have to think about that one a bit but my first impression is that if worse came to worse you might not have the time needed to fire more than six rounds anyway. I wouldn't know about any of that but I do know the G20s don't please me in a lot of other ways.

I'd stick with a DW or maybe an STI properly configured the way you want it. My Colt was a "parts gun" until a good pistolsmith got his hands on it. Maybe Colt DEs are a lot better these days? JMHO.

Capacity isn't an issue for me, I have no problem with 7 or 8 +1.

No firearm is bulletproof, but Ive been reading a lot about the Glock being a more durable gun in the long run, especially with an aftermarket fully supported barrel. I want to be able to shoot warm loads, otherwise I would stick with my G22.

While the looks and finish is nicer on the 1911's I'd probably cry if I scratched a DW or even a Delta deer hunting with it. I would not care if I scratched the Glock. I would be taking this camping too, so it would take some abuse.

Probably should get a Glock and either a Delta, DW, SW10xx or Sig. Then I would have the best of both worlds. Probably will end up doing that anyway eventually.

 

[moralem]

Probably should get a Glock and either a Delta, DW, SW10xx or Sig. Then I would have the best of both worlds. Probably will end up doing that anyway eventually. [/QUOTE]

You really can't go wrong with the G20 and for what you can get them for in the used market with very few rounds through them is a deal. Here in Texas a slightly used 20 can be had for 500-575. Depending on if there are any mods. I have a FDE and upgraded to a Zev trigger kit and a lone wolf barrel and have put through it about 100 rounds of old stock 200 and 175 grain Norma's with no hiccups. I know I should save the Norma for collectors purpose but you can't take them with you. I will pull the ol girl from the safe and post up a pic.

 

[thomasinaz]

....If the DW happens to have a ramped barrel as opposed to the usual, standard 1911 barrel, I would definitely favor the DW for that reason. I think 1911s in 10mm should have a ramped barrel.

Agreed. Find a model with a ramped barrel in a 10mm 1911. I have a Fusion and a Kimber in 10mm and both have this feature. Both handle warmer loads with no high pressure indications. The Fusion is a beautifully made 1911.

 

[moralem]

 

[Mainsail]

I agree with your dislike for the G20, and I have a G20SF that is my current hiking gun....until either S&W or Sig makes a striker 10mm- then it's for sale. Don't like the grip angle.

As for the Colt, this waning on Underwood's 10mm page says enough to me that I would avoid the Delta. There may be an aftermarket solution but I've never researched it. If all the Delta can do is weak 10mm, then you'd be better off with the .40s&w instead.

 

[M29since14]

So this ammunition is loaded beyond SAAMI spec? If so, why would you use it in anything? Any SAAMI spec ammo should be safe in a Delta Elite.

I like ramped barrels but they are not an excuse for handloading delinquency, or for using non-spec factory ammunition, IMO - if you value your eyes and fingers!

 

[shawn mccarver]

I vote for Colt. The quality of a Colt is the best it has ever been and the name will always guarantee it will hold its value. Just my thoughts.

That said, if you really want to shoot warm loads, there is nothing much wrong with the 4 inch Model 29 or 629. It was good enough for Elmer, so it is good enough for me.

 

[Mainsail]

So this ammunition is loaded beyond SAAMI spec?

I'm not sure if you are referring to my post but if you're asking if the Underwood 10mm is hotter than SAAMI specs, the answer is no. They load to the top of the spec while most other commercial sources are loading it to the bottom or below, much like they do with .357 Sig ammo.

There are not a lot of ammo makers loading 10mm to it's actual spec for reasons which are open to speculation, but nevertheless, if I'm going to shoot 10mm, I want to shoot 10mm- not .40s&w in a longer case.

 

[44wheelman]

I had a stainless EAA Match 10mm... solid gun, descent trigger, and respectable accuracy. Picked it up used for $500 in like new condition. I sold it because I found a Colt Gold Cup Elite in .40. I have a small bucket full of .40 brass...not so much with the 10mm brass. I would buy another EAA again.

My brother (gunsmith) just picked up a new Colt DE 10. He had no intention of buying it (other than he was interested in another 10mm), but he was thoroughly impressed with it's tight lockup & well fit slide.

He used to have a 1006. He shot sized down .41 mag 215gr swc bullets that were stuffed them in a case full of Blue Dot (right at a compressed load).... that gun was a whoot!.... But he said he was looking for something a little more refined this time... whatever that means.

We had just recently debated the selection of 10's... I'm still curious about the sig 220/10mm.

I had a Glock 20 back around '93 or so... used to love letting loose with the PMC 200grain TC ammo...until one of the pins backed out of the side of the frame. So was I supposed to carry around a hammer with me?... so I got rid of it. Funny how one little incident can sour you so quick.

 

[GRU_ 7_ mech]

I had a Rock Island Tac II....certainly not putting it in the same class as either of the two in question, but liked it very much. The old age is settling in and my wrists can not take the recoil like it could before. When it is not fun to shoot at the range and stay proficient with it....well time to move on. To put my vote in....I would chose the Dan Wesson over the Colt. Colts have never done it for me...not saying they are bad, just never feel right.

 

[andyo5]

Given the two options mentioned, and assuming that the DW is actually a CZ gun with a warranty, I'd probably go for it. Colt is a company on the ropes and it may not be there if you need them. CZ is a strong company getting stronger.
Of course, if the C-O-L-T factor gets your blood boiling, then the above argument may not apply.

 

[fat tom]

Just bought this one 2 weeks ago off GA for $799. I didn't even have to think about it! Came with original box and paperwork too.



f.t.

 

[Cashfan]

Just bought this one 2 weeks ago off GA for $799. I didn't even have to think about it! Came with original box and paperwork too.



f.t.

That's a nice Colt! Hard to go wrong at that price.

I'm not sure the DW or the Colt is the right first 10mm for me now. Leaning towards the Glock 20, but I need to look at the Sig P220. It seems to have a lot features I would like. Should be a quality firearm, and the single stack should fit my hand a little better than the Glock.

I'll probably change my mind again in 5 min.