Colt M1908 Gloat Thread

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Until two days ago I knew next to nothing about Colt semiautomatics, so it is completely unjust that I fell into ownership of an uncommon variety of the M1908 Hammerless in .380 caliber. Or "calibre" as Colt spells it on their firearms.

There were about 138000 of these made between 1908 and 1945; the vast majority of them were commercial. The last roughly 3200 were purchased by the US military and are stamped US PROPERTY. Some of these, perhaps only a few hundred, are considered a General Officer's model. (This scanty survey is based on based on the research of others; if I am misrepresenting it, the fault is entirely mine.) The "M" on the serial number represents a factory magazine modification that was made before the guns were distributed. I am embarrassed to admit that i don't yet know what the magazine modification consisted of.

I just lucked into one of these GO guns, M137992, seemingly one of the last 20 made. Produced in 1945, it was not issued until May 31, 1950, when it was presented to Air Force Brigadier General Clarence S. Irvine, whose aviation accomplishments can be turned up with a Google search.

The gun may never have been fired, though there is a chance it was fired some and well cleaned after its occasional use. the finish is 98% or better.

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I have more than half wanted an early Colt auto in .32 or .380 for some time to keep company with a .25 that I inherited from the estate of a favorite uncle. I was hoping to find a nice one, but I had no expectation that I would come across a rare one. I am of course ecstatic. Now I must compile some documentation about General Irvine and the circumstances under with this pistol was delivered into his hands.
 
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Gorgeous; an absolutely gorgeous example of a classic design. Thanks for sharing, and I don't blame you at all for gloating.
 
Congratulations! See if you can lay hands on the holster rig that was issued with it and an image of the General wearing it if possible.
 
David,Very nice colt.I also have a soft spot for colt's. I guess a colt factory letter would be the thing to do.There are some counterfeit military 1908's floating around these days.Does it have the correct m stamped magazine? It apears to have the bomb stamp behind the safety latch.Mike
 
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What a great acquistion. I have a blue .32 and a Nickle .380.
That was back when they knew how to make pocket guns.

The bluing on the Colt's of that era is spectacular.
 
Everybody, thanks for your comments. I am really liking this little pistol, and with the passing minutes I am coming to appreciate it more and more as well.

The magazine does not have the M stamp, which strikes me as peculiar since the gun's condition hints that it was simply stored for decades. Judging from photos of other similar pistols, the M would have been on the rounded end of the magazine floor.

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Beutiful pistol you have there, sir.

I have a Husqvarna 1907 in 9mm Browninglong
but the Colt is much more graceful than the HVA.
 
At first I thought I might have once owned that gun. I went and checked a old book and seen mine was # 90331, and I see I had noted it was made in 1928. My ex sold it at a gun show in california years ago. Looked identical. When I bought mine it looked unfired but I put a few boxs through it.
 
Your colt was sent back to the factory for a mag and ejector modification.they were having stovepipe jam problems.Then after the repair the m stamp and flaming ordance wheel marks were applied by the factory.The wheel mark being behind the safety latch on the left side.My guess they forgot to stamp the mag, or just replaced it with a new one.I would say your pistol is original finish, and a great find.I hope this helps.Regards Mike
 
Your colt was sent back to the factory for a mag and ejector modification.they were having stovepipe jam problems.Then after the repair the m stamp and flaming ordance wheel marks were applied by the factory.The wheel mark being behind the safety latch on the left side.My guess they forgot to stamp the mag, or just replaced it with a new one.I would say your pistol is original finish, and a great find.I hope this helps.Regards Mike

Thank you; that helps. One of the odd features of this pistol is that the thin part of the frame has been pushed in a cat whisker's diameter just above each checkered panel. I wondered first if the gun had been dropped, but the symmetry makes it look deliberate -- it looks like the frame was deliberately pinched in this area. I wonder if this was part of the magazine fix, as it would definitely restrict side-to-side motion at the top of the magazine.

I haven't been able to photograph this frame curvature. It is pretty subtle, but you can see it if you hold the gun so as to let light rake across the side of the gun.
 
David,I would think it was part of the fix.I would also like to add the m prefix did not stand for military.It stood for modified or modification,and does not detract from the value whats so ever.My guess If you don't own a rm, this is the most valuable gun in your collection.Mike
 
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That is indeed a very nice acquisition. I have a humble collection of Colt Pocket Model 'M' pistols and nice ones are hard to come by, nice US Property marked ones are rarer, and general officer issue pistols are the crown jewel of Colt pocket pistol collectors.
 
I would like to add, I would check on a military historical letter before I sent colt 100.00 for a factory letter.I believe Rock Island arsenal has the history on the military 380 colt and who they were issued to.Mike
 
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Thank you. I already have a lead on the people and division to write to about issuance records. And I have ordered the two primary books on these guns (Brunner and Greeley). I have been told that the Brunner records indicate this specific pistol was issued to BG Clarence S. Irvine. I have already looked up his professional biography, and he was a pretty big player in heavy-plane aviation before, during and after WWII. I definitely feel outclassed when I read about men like that, and I am honored to be the custodian of the pistol that was issued to him.
 
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Brunner's book is great. If you don't have one already, you need a copy. Luckily I got my copy before I found a beautiful parkerized 32 that had gone to Britain and back, and was able to authenticate it from Brunner's book.
 
Congratulations, David! What a unique find. I have a .32 version from ~1930 that I really enjoy shooting (although I'm not sure you'll be shooting yours). I'll look forward to hearing what additional information you uncover about the General.

Best Regards,

Jerry
 
Has anyone else heard that the .32's work better than the .380's? I've read that. Can't recall where.
 
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