Stu Honea
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SR,I am negotiating on a nice 6906 currently. This will be my first one of these if it works out.I hope it do.
Compact 3rd generation pistols
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SR,I am negotiating on a nice 6906 currently. This will be my first one of these if it works out.I hope it do.
Nico Testosteros
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Can someone tell me how the grip size of the 4513 and 4013 differ, if at all? I really liked the feel of the 4513TSW I held. I didn't have what the LGS was asking for it at the time and now have a lead on a 4013.
J D Allen
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3rd gen. S&W
I've owned the 469 , cs9D , cs40 and the 4046TSW. These are top quality weapons. The point that changed Smith & Wesson was the glock. Its lighter weight and cheaper manufacturing cost were hard to compete with. Thus came the M&P line. The 3rd generation pistol is still higher quality and I believe more durable. I've contacted S&W to release a line of classic pistols. When you can mention it to them.
I've owned the 469 , cs9D , cs40 and the 4046TSW. These are top quality weapons. The point that changed Smith & Wesson was the glock. Its lighter weight and cheaper manufacturing cost were hard to compete with. Thus came the M&P line. The 3rd generation pistol is still higher quality and I believe more durable. I've contacted S&W to release a line of classic pistols. When you can mention it to them.
Badkarma 1
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Still running an old 669 myself, the thing kicked a gen 4 Glock back omits box at the range too! It likes Federal 9BP, for it's accuracy load and gets a diet of either those or 124+P Gold Dots for general use.
And yes, the little bugger will stay with my SIG P226 regularly!!
If I may: SMITH AND WESSON, BRING BACK THE THIRD GENERATION! Dale
And yes, the little bugger will stay with my SIG P226 regularly!!
If I may: SMITH AND WESSON, BRING BACK THE THIRD GENERATION! Dale
StatesRightist
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SR,I am negotiating on a nice 6906 currently. This will be my first one of these if it works out.I hope it do.
Congrats, it will not be your last, you will absolutely love it. They shoot better than most full size guns. Hope you are well and have a great evening.
Stu Honea
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Thank 'ya sir.Hoping to close on it tomorrow.The owner is leaning toward my offer,I think he'll go.
I find my 5904 to be my most accurate 3rd generation pistol, ... followed closely by my 4566. My 3913 & 3914 are lagging slightly because my hands/fingers are just a bit too long for a totally comfortable grip on them. ... but why don't you ask me next month as they're so close, that, on a given day, I could change my mind.
Jerry
Jerry
Hi Gunhacker,
Yes I was surprised as well. I was not alone though. Out of 16 of us qualifying last year with full size duty pistols and compact off duty/BUG guns, in the same caliber, six of us who regularly shoot in the top ten, shot perfect scores with our compacts.
In fact all six of us had identical scores 98 day 98 night with the full size duty pistol. 100 day 100 night with the off duty compact.
The qual is 50 shots day, 1 to 25 yards and 50 shots night, 1 to 15 yards.
While discussing it during the smoke and joke afterwards, we came to the conclusion that the shorter slides were an advantage in point shooting as was the shorter distance to the front sight in forming a snap sight picture. Some also opined that the added effort needed to shoot a small pistol well, forced us to focus on the basics harder - thus improving our performance. Dunno..............
There have been threads about this.....phenomena...on other boards. Apparently lots of shooters are more accurate with their compact 45's than with their full size guns.
I'd be interested in y'alls opinions on this topic. This thread is as good as any to discuss it. Regards 18DAI
Good luck Stu Honea!!
Yes I was surprised as well. I was not alone though. Out of 16 of us qualifying last year with full size duty pistols and compact off duty/BUG guns, in the same caliber, six of us who regularly shoot in the top ten, shot perfect scores with our compacts.
In fact all six of us had identical scores 98 day 98 night with the full size duty pistol. 100 day 100 night with the off duty compact.
The qual is 50 shots day, 1 to 25 yards and 50 shots night, 1 to 15 yards.
While discussing it during the smoke and joke afterwards, we came to the conclusion that the shorter slides were an advantage in point shooting as was the shorter distance to the front sight in forming a snap sight picture. Some also opined that the added effort needed to shoot a small pistol well, forced us to focus on the basics harder - thus improving our performance. Dunno..............
There have been threads about this.....phenomena...on other boards. Apparently lots of shooters are more accurate with their compact 45's than with their full size guns.
I'd be interested in y'alls opinions on this topic. This thread is as good as any to discuss it.
Regards 18DAIGood luck Stu Honea!!
RufusG
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Once upon a time I had a 4516 and a 4506 at the same time. I shot the 4516 better, and not because there was anything wrong with the 4506. My feeling was that the 4516 had a whole lot of mass close in to your hands, and as a result tended to move around less and get back on target sooner. Something along the lines of "polar moment of inertia" coming into play. Or I could be completely full of it.
I wouldn't say the same thing about the 9mms, because I don't have a steel compact in that caliber. I'd say I shoot full size and compact nines about the same.
Bartman3562
Fallen Comrade
Compact
I agree. I had a full size 1006, and a 1013 (4013 converted to 10mm) and my accuracy with the 1013 is amazing when compared to the 1006. And being an alloy, it is amazing to carry. I would bet the only gun I have that is as or more accurate is my LW champion Springfield. Now that gun makes me look good
I agree. I had a full size 1006, and a 1013 (4013 converted to 10mm) and my accuracy with the 1013 is amazing when compared to the 1006. And being an alloy, it is amazing to carry. I would bet the only gun I have that is as or more accurate is my LW champion Springfield. Now that gun makes me look good
Catshooter
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Interesting.
The best group I have ever fired with a sixgun was six rounds out of an eight and three eigths 629. At 25 yards it was about and inch and three eigths.
The best group I have ever fired from an auto is from my Shorty 45. Eight rounds at 20 yards into a group that would completley hide behind a US quarter (a quarter is just under one inch).
The barrel on the Shorty is less than half that of the 629, and of course the sixgun had a trigger that no auto can equal, even a Shorty.
The sixgun group was center to center, the Shorty's outside edge to outside edge so the Shorty's was smaller by almost half.
I'd never really thought about it before, how interesting!
Other than a Glock, the Shorty is the only auto to never, ever let me down. And that's with Keith semi-wadcutters in the Shorty, ball or hollow points in the Glock. The Smith feeds empty brass from the mag, the Glock won't.
Taking all these traits together it's sorta hard to figure why Smith quite making the 3rd gen, don't ya think?
Cat
The best group I have ever fired with a sixgun was six rounds out of an eight and three eigths 629. At 25 yards it was about and inch and three eigths.
The best group I have ever fired from an auto is from my Shorty 45. Eight rounds at 20 yards into a group that would completley hide behind a US quarter (a quarter is just under one inch).
The barrel on the Shorty is less than half that of the 629, and of course the sixgun had a trigger that no auto can equal, even a Shorty.
The sixgun group was center to center, the Shorty's outside edge to outside edge so the Shorty's was smaller by almost half.
I'd never really thought about it before, how interesting!
Other than a Glock, the Shorty is the only auto to never, ever let me down. And that's with Keith semi-wadcutters in the Shorty, ball or hollow points in the Glock. The Smith feeds empty brass from the mag, the Glock won't.
Taking all these traits together it's sorta hard to figure why Smith quite making the 3rd gen, don't ya think?
Cat
Badquaker
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My performance center shorty 40. It is the smoothest DA pistol I have ever owned.
What sort of problems with the 4516-1? My interest in that I've been agonizing over one I'm looking at and was curious about your problem with it.
I have a difficult time managing the shorter grip frame with the size of my palm/hand, it just doesn't feel like I have a secure grip so it distracts me. My 4566 is built on the same full sized frame as the 4506's, and that along with the shorter slide/barrel is a combination that really clicks with me.
The 4516-1 is a great pistol, no complaints with it mechanically or it's accuracy potential, it just a matter of ergonomics and my meaty (sounds better than fat) palm.
I've been trying to figure out how to adapt a longer grip to it where the back of it extends down to where it's level with the bottom of the mag floor plate and then glue a filler block in it behind the mag well.
Then my palm will be fully supported and I won't feel like I'm always about to drop the thing.
Gunhacker, have you tried the Hogue rubber or wooden grip for the 4516?
I felt the same way you did using the factory Xenoy grip. The rubber Hogues made it a completely different animal, for me. Regards 18DAI
I felt the same way you did using the factory Xenoy grip. The rubber Hogues made it a completely different animal, for me. Regards 18DAI
Stu Honea
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Thanks for the well wish,it worked.Hi Gunhacker,
Yes I was surprised as well. I was not alone though. Out of 16 of us qualifying last year with full size duty pistols and compact off duty/BUG guns, in the same caliber, six of us who regularly shoot in the top ten, shot perfect scores with our compacts.
In fact all six of us had identical scores 98 day 98 night with the full size duty pistol. 100 day 100 night with the off duty compact.
The qual is 50 shots day, 1 to 25 yards and 50 shots night, 1 to 15 yards.
While discussing it during the smoke and joke afterwards, we came to the conclusion that the shorter slides were an advantage in point shooting as was the shorter distance to the front sight in forming a snap sight picture. Some also opined that the added effort needed to shoot a small pistol well, forced us to focus on the basics harder - thus improving our performance. Dunno..............
There have been threads about this.....phenomena...on other boards. Apparently lots of shooters are more accurate with their compact 45's than with their full size guns.
I'd be interested in y'alls opinions on this topic. This thread is as good as any to discuss it.
Good luck Stu Honea!!
I snagged the 6906 today and think it will fit in well.It's like brand new.I think everything you mentioned in the quoted post has something to do with the compacts being such surprisingly good shooters. Especially with fast point shooting.The benefit of easier carry and negligible performance loss from the shorter barrels with modern ammo just puts the icing on the cake.
I plan to shoot the 6906 tomorrow after church,with a variety of loads to see which weight is the most accurate.I'm hoping it's the 147 grainers.
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I have a brace of 6906s and 5906s. I use the 6906 with the longer magazine with a mag adapter to fit the longer mags into the shorter butt frame. I usually carry only one extra mag. Some of the "kids" point this out to me(they usually have 2 or 3 extra mags). I tell them that when I started as a patrolman I carried a 6 shot .38 special and only 6 extra rounds in a dump pouch(more was prohibited as the chief did not like the "cowboy look" of all that extra ammo). This means that I have 4 more rounds in just the one mag than I packed entirely back in the day. Of course no one really believes that a police chief could be that stupid-LOL.
The 3rd generation Smith autos may be the best series of semi auto handguns ever built by antone-ever.
The 6906 shoots better (for me) than the 5906, I think it has to do with the compactness of the gun and the more weight further back in my hand, also the shorter sight redius seems to service my older eyes than a longer radius-but maybe its just me-but who cares they all shoot very well.
The 3rd generation Smith autos may be the best series of semi auto handguns ever built by antone-ever.
The 6906 shoots better (for me) than the 5906, I think it has to do with the compactness of the gun and the more weight further back in my hand, also the shorter sight redius seems to service my older eyes than a longer radius-but maybe its just me-but who cares they all shoot very well.
