Companion to K-22 Masterpiece

I suggest the .38 to go along with the .22 - and if you're lucky, the .32
I have completed my quest for the three Target Masterpiece revolvers and the two Combat Masterpiece revolvers.
All are Five Screw except the .32 and it's a Four Screw.
You'll notice the single address line on the .22 and .38 because they both have 4-digit serial numbers, made in 1946.
I have the original box for the .22
They are all a blast to shoot and extremely accurate.
Eventually I will part with the collection, but not today!
Good luck in your quest! Mine was a lot of fun.
 

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I agree that a different caliber K series would be the most natural addition, especially for a collector. Or someone who just loves accurate .38s. But, just hear me out, would a thicker barreled and full under lug K frame like the 19, possibly more duplicate the overall weight and feel of the K22…(the k38 having more steel removed from cylinder and barrel)same barrel lengths of course? The few model 19s and 66s I've owned have been incredibly accurate. And what if the practitioner is wanting a 22 to simulate their 357 defense shooting? Just for discussion.
Bill
 
Yes, 357's will shoot .38 Specials---no question about it!

So the question becomes shoot .38 specials to make noise---or scores?

Accuracy is all about a bullet passing through a bore and emerging in as pristine condition as possible. That's not going to happen shooting .38's from a Magnum. Problem #1 is that shoulder sitting just ahead of the .38 case mouth. It's going to do damage---a little or a lot. Problem #2 is the additional throat length encountered by the .38 in a Magnum. That translates into the .38 bullet entering the barrel at a higher speed than would be the case from a .38----and traveling further---skidding and sliding and becoming damaged a little or a lot before the rifling gets a hold of it.

If you'd like to see for yourself, get a machine rest (at less cost than pretty much any decent gun in your stash)-----and join the enlightened.

Or you can do what I did before a machine rest. I loaded up a Ruger Old Army with 20 grains of fff, an Uncle Mikes lubed wad, and a Speer .457" round ball---seats DEEP within the chamber---LOOOOOOOOOOONG throat. Then I sat down, held the gun with two hands on a rest, and let fly. That group measured just a tad over 4" at 25 yards. Then, after adding corn meal to the mix in 5 grain increments, I did it again--four times; ending up with 20 grains of corn meal under the bullet which was now seated flush with the end of the chamber---virtually ZERO throat. That group fit nicely in the X ring---fit under a quarter actually. The interim groups shrunk in an almost linear fashion.

Shoot .38's in a Magnum? Sure, they'll go bang.

Ralph Tremaine

I just thought of something that got my clock cleaned before I joined the "in-crowd"---way back when---shooting Bullseye. All of a sudden folks were showing up with some really weird looking guns---.38 Specials with cylinders the same length as a Wadcutter---and custom barrels set back into the window to meet the cylinder---as in ZERO throat!! NO FAIR!!!! Well, what the hell-----it's only money.

I totally understand what you are saying Ralph. My suggestion was mainly about versatility - the .357 revolver's ability to ALSO shoot 38 specials.

If the OP has the option to buy BOTH revolvers chambered in 38 special AND in .357 magnum, then the Model 14 Combat Masterpiece is the obvious choice. However, if the OP's budget constraints require making a choice between one or the other, then I stand by my suggestion to look for a .357 caliber revolver for the additional flexibility.

FWIW, I have a "pre" Model 14 (pictured below) 38 Combat Masterpiece, and it is a GREAT example of a S&W target revolver. But if your budget requires you to choose only ONE revolver - in 38 special OR .357 magnum, I would still recommend the .357 over the 38 special.

Just because the .357 offers more ammo options - even if it is slightly less accurate when shooting 38 specials. After all, the OP did ask for recommendations for either 38special OR .357 magnums to go along with his K22.

Just my opinion, FWIW
 

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It would seem you favor compromise over perfection. Fair enough. I, on the other hand, am not inclined to include "close enough" in my values. It's either as good as it can be, or it's lacking.

I spent a good deal of time racing sports cars during my (much) younger years. I didn't win a whole lot more races than I won---goes with the territory I reckon. But when I didn't win, it was because of the driver----me; not because of his equipment. His equipment was the best of the best---no compromises allowed---not even considered.

Same goes for shooting---I didn't win more matches than I did win, but my equipment was never the cause. It would never occur to me to consider substandard equipment.

Ralph Tremaine
 
My M14-3(?) makes me look good, and it is fun to shoot to show what a decent group looks like. I will go in with BC38 as to the flexibility of a .357 because you can use anything from 38 wadcutter target loads to some pretty stout .357 loads depending on what you need. For the vast majority of us, the incremental difference in accuracy that may come about in the way Ralph Tremaine says is not that big a deal. Few people can shoot well enough to need that incremental difference.

In addition to my K38, I have a 4" 66. I shoot it more than the K38, but mostly because I do my LEOSA quals a couple times a year with it and an auto pistol. My 66 sees a lot more .38s through it; I can and have qualified with stout .357 duty ammo, but the better shooting (placement) with .38 SWC is worth it to me.
 
It would seem you favor compromise over perfection. Fair enough. I, on the other hand, am not inclined to include "close enough" in my values. It's either as good as it can be, or it's lacking.

I spent a good deal of time racing sports cars during my (much) younger years. I didn't win a whole lot more races than I won---goes with the territory I reckon. But when I didn't win, it was because of the driver----me; not because of his equipment. His equipment was the best of the best---no compromises allowed---not even considered.

Same goes for shooting---I didn't win more matches than I did win, but my equipment was never the cause. It would never occur to me to consider substandard equipment.

Ralph Tremaine
You are correct Ralph. I don't favor the idea of "letting the perfect be the enemy of the good". Particularly in a case like this where the OP specifically asked for a recommendation for a 38 special OR a .357 magnum revolver.

If the request had been specifically limited to a 38 special, then the Model 14 would be the obvious choice.

BUT when the OP threw .357 magnums into the "mix" then, in my mind, the additional flexibility of the .357 magnum became the over-riding factor.

Just a difference in perspective, I guess.

Of course for those who can afford one of each, then that is the obvious answer - a M14 AND a M19!
 
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It has always been my understanding that K 22 and the K 38 have different width ribs so, once loaded, they weigh nearly the same.

Originally, all Masterpiece revolvers had narrow ribs, offering different weights for different calibers. The narrow ribs were produced for just over 2 years. The factory approved wide ribbed K32s and K38s on 8/19/48 and the 1st K 38 Heavy Masterpiece was shipped on 2/4/49 serial number K66222 to Captain T. Thurmond Barrier, USMC. Below is a K38 narrow rib from 1948.
 

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Originally, all Masterpiece revolvers had narrow ribs, offering different weights for different calibers. The narrow ribs were produced for just over 2 years. The factory approved wide ribbed K32s and K38s on 8/19/48 and the 1st K 38 Heavy Masterpiece was shipped on 2/4/49 serial number K66222 to Captain T. Thurmond Barrier, USMC. Below is a K38 narrow rib from 1948.

Actually, the K38 Masterpiece, narrow rib version, continued to be cataloged until September, 1953. From that point on, only the Heavy Masterpiece was available. :)
 
Hello,

I'm interested in finding a companion S&W in .38 Spl or .357 Mag to go with my K-22 Masterpiece.

I now know the K-38 Masterpiece is that but I'm curious what you think about the Model 19 Classic being a viable candidate? Or should I scour the internet and gun shows for a K-38 Masterpiece and or a Model 14?

Just curious what you guys think.

Thank you!
The Model 19 Classic is only available with a 4.25" barrel, so not really comparable to a K-22 Masterpiece/Model 17. An older Model 19 with the 6 inch barrel is a good choice if you think you might want to shoot some 357 Magnum loads. If you do not plan on shooting 357 Magnum ammo, the look for a K-38 Masterpiece/Model 14.
 
Nearly fifty years ago I acquired a nice, all matching K-38 in a trade. Thirty years later anice K-22 followed me home from an auction. I was pleased to note that their respective serial numbers suggest both were made in1948. Those two make great companions. Otherwise, you might want to go with a 6" Model 19 or pre-19 to go with your K-22.
Froggie
 
I've had good luck with wadcutters in 357 cases with Trailboss. It also eliminates the carbon ring left by the 38s.
 
My 14-3 does best at 50 yards with 3.0 gr of BE and Remington 148 gr. HBWC. Same load shoots almost as good in my Colt Officers Match Special.
 

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