Component price gouging!

[vic3620]

I went to the indy 1500 friday night.
found one guy with small pistol primers at 40.00 per thousand. another vendor that I know
told me the vendors bought them all up for themselves before the show opened. including himself.
I left without paying the 40.00 I'll just wait
it out.

 

[m1gunner]

I am out of large pistol primers. In the last 10 years or so the only place I could buy 1000 at a time was a gunshow. No shops in my area sell primers, and shipping and hazmat adds 30 bucks to mailorder prices.

Have recently tried to trade some small primers for large, but got zero response locally on a very active local gunboard.

My response has been to store the guns that need large primers till things change and only shoot 38 and 357s in the interim, no big deal.

Nice thing about revolvers is never having to chase brass. And, for me, the guy that taught me to reload set me up with all the 38 brass I will ever need.

 

[Skip Sackett]

m1,
Would it be possible for you to have several folks order with you? I spoke with Graf's a while back and Widner's too, they will send up to 40,000 primers in one shipment, making it only one hazmat fee. Spread their $20 fee over 40,000 primers and you have an additional cost of only 0.0005 cents per primer.

Of course the cost of those 40,000 primers is going to be hard to come by now!

 

[m1gunner]

SC,

Unfortunately, I am the only reloader in the group I usually shoot with. I was considering ordering some primers and a pound of powder to soften the hazmat somewhat, but no one has any primers at this time.

Like I said, no panic here, but I do miss shooting the 1911.

 

[Superflywimpy]

Ugh! It makes me sick,what these lawmakers are creating. Alot of hysteria. I find myself with my eyes on the ground when I go out shooting looking for brass casings now! With the price of a box of rifle ammo over 20 bucks now. Reload ,reload reload...and reload some more.

 

[Amici]

Originally posted by Superflywimpy:
Ugh! It makes me sick,what these lawmakers are creating. Alot of hysteria.

I'll bite: In what way, shape, manner or form are "these lawmakers" creating hysteria?

The price of metals skyrocketing last year was due to massive purchases by China; that also drove up the oil prices that increased shipping costs.

Tha massive purchases were by gun owners panicked by the correct perception that Obama would be elected, starting in early Fall and spiking after that election.

Let's see: Reduced supply at increased costs combines with a run on the market. Result: Exponential increase in price.

Show me where "these lawmakers" played a role.

 

[Shuz]

Originally posted by Amici:

Originally posted by Superflywimpy:
Ugh! It makes me sick,what these lawmakers are creating. Alot of hysteria.

I'll bite: In what way, shape, manner or form are "these lawmakers" creating hysteria?

The price of metals skyrocketing last year was due to massive purchases by China; that also drove up the oil prices that increased shipping costs.

Tha massive purchases were by gun owners panicked by the correct perception that Obama would be elected, starting in early Fall and spiking after that election.

Let's see: Reduced supply at increased costs combines with a run on the market. Result: Exponential increase in price.

Show me where "these lawmakers" played a role.

By getting elected!

 

[walnutred]

Originally posted by m1gunner:
SC,

Unfortunately, I am the only reloader in the group I usually shoot with. I was considering ordering some primers and a pound of powder to soften the hazmat somewhat, but no one has any primers at this time.

Like I said, no panic here, but I do miss shooting the 1911.

Last October I swallowed hard and placed an order for what to me was a lot of components. 10,000 Wolf small pistol primers and two 8lb kegs of powder (Bulleseye and CPP). Your right about one thing, that's enough powder to last me for years, probably the rest of my shooting life when you consider the 20 or so assorted one-pound cans I have on the shelf. I will probably not buy primers other than shotgun for at least a year, probably two or three.

So all in all I consider the $20 HazMat fee to be minimal. I probably spent that much in gasoline and wear and tear on my truck looking for non-existent primers and powder on the dealers shelves before I placed the order.

I think the primers were in the $18 per 1000 range and the powder in the mid $80's.

 

[Amici]

Originally posted by Shuz:

Originally posted by Amici:

Show me where "these lawmakers" played a role.

By getting elected!

Yeah; that really spiked China's consumption of metals and petroleum...

I think the primers were in the $18 per 1000 range and the powder in the mid $80's.

Heck, I was paying $15.50/brick at the January gun show just five years ago and $19.50/brick three years ago.

I also remember gas for 24.9/gallon. So what? Doesn't fill my tank now.

 

[Skip Sackett]

The point of this thread is to attempt to STOP the panic purchasing, at least by the forum member here!

I'm like walnutred, I'm good for a while. Got in last year before the rush and haven't regretted it once.

I think what Shuz is trying to say is that the fear is generated by the anti-gun stance of the present administration. Something we all can agree on.

What kicks me in the rump is that in order to get elected, they had to get votes from folks that are Pro-Second Amendment. There is no way this country is that far left yet.

To me, folks that vote like that are willing to surrender their freedom for something else, usually money. Sometimes prestige.

I have said this many times, I refuse to be afraid. I am going to take steps to make sure I have what I need when I need what I should have.

Then with courage and tenacity, I am going to attack the problem.

Don't get me wrong or put words in my mouth. I'm not espousing any uprising. I'm just going to exercise my rights while I still can.

When we live in fear we make someone else, most likely not someone that cares about you, your master.

Not on my watch!

 

[Amici]

Originally posted by smith crazy:
The point of this thread is to attempt to STOP the panic purchasing, at least by the forum member here!

I'm like walnutred, I'm good for a while. Got in last year before the rush and haven't regretted it once.

Indeed. I started stocking up last summer, with my last large purchase of ammo in November and propellant in January.

I think what Shuz is trying to say is that the fear is generated by the anti-gun stance of the present administration. Something we all can agree on.

What kicks me in the rump is that in order to get elected, they had to get votes from folks that are Pro-Second Amendment.

They are usually the same folks that are whining about prices now and were - and still are - ready to sell out the "black rifle"/semi-auto/handgun owners now in the pathetic belief their own "deer rifles"/shotguns/"sporting arms" are magically protected.

 

[Skip Sackett]

They are usually the same folks

I would like to add that I don't think anyone in this thread fits this description.

If you do, set me straight! (Of course, you will end up on my ignore list in the future!

)

 

[tbury]

HazMat fee is 22.50 now. I remember a shortage of components last Jan/Feb caused by people loading up to beat price increases which caused a big shortage in Sportsmans and other retail shops. Used Black rifles sat on the dealers racks unbought at $700 and $800, now sell like hot cakes for 1000+. Panic buying causes the same effect if it is gasoline, rifles or components. I see out of stock listings on grafs and Midway gradually going away as they are able to re-stock from suppliers. I'll buy what I have to and reload with what I have until supply exceeds demand and prices come down. Even though I know some component prices are not going to come down for quite a while.

 

[NKJ nut]

Skip, it's not always just the vendor. he may be selling at the best price he can. Given the extreme scarcity of small rifle primers $30 is not outrageous. 50 or more is gouging pure and simple. People resent being gouged and may buy now but later they will avoid that vendor and he will go out of business. Seen that one before

I had some people look in disgust at the price on some 7.62x39mm ammo that I had on my table. The truth is that my supplier jumped the price by $140 a case in the last month. That makes for a big jump in price to the consumer.

Please do not assume that the vendor is a crook when prices jump. Speaking for myself I sell at the best price I can. Sometimes I get sticker shock too when I buy. Mostly I am just appalled by the great void in stock at all of the distributors.

 

[Skip Sackett]

Mostly I am just appalled by the great void in stock at all of the distributors.

Jes, I know you. If this was the case with this guy it would have been a different matter. The attitude is what appalled me the most to be quite honest.


I'm talking Wolf here too, not Federal Match, not CCI BR, not......Wolf, for crying out loud!

Not price break for quantity, and an attitude. Does the vendor get an attitude from the distributor too? Comes with the product?

This guy was a jerk the last time I was there. The same time I met you. He was the one between you and the guy selling the Federal primers for $23/1000. (At the time that was a good price, about $2-$3 less than EVERYBODY.) The guy selling for cheap was selling his old stock. The guy with the Wolf for $30 Friday yelled at the $23 Federal guy that day asking what he thought he was doing selling them so cheap. I don't think he got the attitude from the distributor, buddy. He had it a long time before Friday!

Those kinds of folks need to be avoided.

 

[Amici]

Originally posted by smith crazy:

They are usually the same folks

I would like to add that I don't think anyone in this thread fits this description.

If you do, set me straight! (Of course, you will end up on my ignore list in the future!

)

I don't know you or anyone else on this forum personally. However, the fact that they are ON this forum suggests they do not suffer from Fudd myopia.

 

[Skip Sackett]

the fact that they are ON this forum

Well, one would think but that isn't always true.

You weren't around for the "Brentfoto" incident. He got offended because someone had a "Fred Thompson for Pres:" banner in their signature! He was as left as left could be politically and didn't last long around here. It was sad in a way, the guy really liked guns. Kind of a walking oxymoron, heavy on the moron!

(Just kidding!)

 

[il Padrino]

Originally posted by Andy Griffith:
Let me tell you how bad it's gotten...

I went into Wal-mart, passed by the sporting goods and went directly to the toy section.

I purchased all the roll caps they had in stock.

I now have the biggest hoard of them that there is!

Funny, but that reminds me of when I was a kid, and I needed some .22 for a homemade cannon, I could not buy them because I was too young so I improvised. I got a hold of some spent .22 cases, stuffed them with a few pieces of the paper roll caps, then added a BB and crimped the open end of the case with a homemade die I created from a block of steel. It took a few hits but I did manage to get them to go off and fired a BB out the cannon.

With the prices of primers and reloading components I may need to resort to that again. "Now where did I put that homemade die?"

 

[Skip Sackett]

We'll discuss it sometime off line.

We needn't. That matter is over for me. No use to beat a dead horse. A pastor of mine once said: "If you find yourself beating a dead horse, by all means, dismount."

Sliding my right foot out of the stirrup, moving it up and back towards the rump, and gently over.....................................

 

[Erich]

Skip, I know who you are talking about now. We'll discuss it sometime off line.

Anything I should ask about, Jessie?