I work for a local city in florida. Our employee handbook under disciplinary policies and procedures states unauthorized possesion of a firearm, ammunition, weapon or other deadly paraphernalia while on city property, in a city vehicle or while on city business. I work in some pretty bad places at night times and would feel more comfortable carrying my handgun. Can you legally be terminated for carrying while at work if you have a concealed carry permit.
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USAF385
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Well here's the thing. You don't have to take the job. By taking it, you agree to all the rules and requirements in their handbook. There is a hospital around here that will not hire new employees if they smoke. It may sound crazy, but they don't have to take the job if they don't like the employers rules.
"I work for a local city in florida. Our employee handbook under disciplinary policies and procedures states unauthorized possesion of a firearm, ammunition, weapon or other deadly paraphernalia while on city property, in a city vehicle or while on city business."
If you have a permit, doesn't that make it authorized?
If you have a permit, doesn't that make it authorized?
AZretired
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No, your employer has the right, as a condition of employment, to restrict youyr right to carry while on the job.
I have thought about that, if I did need it and didnt have it I may be dead and not be able to work again or if I did need it and had to use it I may not have a job but still my life. I woudl not carry daily, just a night when im working in some of the not so great areas of town.
Crazy K38
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you know, about a week back a guy at work pulled a knife on someone and the HR 'geniouses' decided the appropriate way to handle the situation is impose a new No Weapons policy, having your own box cutter to open boxes even in your car will get you fired, period. But my thought on the subject is one of the A better holster shirts because I do a lot of moving and bending, and it will carry my knife pistol a mag and a flashlight COMPLETELY concealed........ getting one next week
HCD
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I work for a state gov. When I started I was told the policy was dont ask dont tell. Now 7 years later it is mandated we not carry on or in a co. vehc. Well I took the job under a set of rules and like all gov's. They change the rules to suit them. I just switch to a smaller gun and keep it in my pocket, they will never know it, I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
HCD
HCD
If you ever do get in a situation where they want to fire you, either because someone saw it, or you had to use it, any lawyer worth his pay will make authorized mean just what he wants it to. They didn't define what was meant by unauthorized. Like the poster above said, they specifically state no carry. So that's a different story.
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HCD
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When I go to our state gov center at the capital a lot of the congress people carry and almost all of the judges carry, but they are not considered state employees. The Governor is surrounded by 5 plain clothes state troopers that are big enough to eat a bull moose and you know they are armed. So they are not covered by the Governors mandate, but I on the other hand as an official state employee cannot carry in my commission vehc. or on state prop. But I'll worry about the job second and my personal safety first. We did have a bill in the last session that would have stopped the official mandate but it did not get out of committee. Another one of those political footballs.
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mtheo
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In the mid seventies I had a janitorial job for a service company. It was located in a very bad neighborhood. Everything was surrounded by cyclone fence and concertina wire...at night no vehicles could be left outside at night because by morning they would be trashed by bottles and rocks.
As a cost cutting move by the management the Pinkerton security service was canceled and my shift was changed from 9AM to 5PM to 7PM to 3AM and I was given some telephone numbers to call if there was trouble.
Our employment terms stated no drugs, alcohol, or firearms. After a few early AM happenings I began to feel unsafe. I began carrying a model 38 with a hip grip, appendix carry under a T shirt in summer and a sweat shirt in the winter. The job did require a little athleticism. Lifting, climbing,crawling etc. I carried for four years and no one was the wiser.
The only thing I was concerned about was that if I had been discovered and discharged it might have been difficult to explain to a potential new employer.
As a cost cutting move by the management the Pinkerton security service was canceled and my shift was changed from 9AM to 5PM to 7PM to 3AM and I was given some telephone numbers to call if there was trouble.
Our employment terms stated no drugs, alcohol, or firearms. After a few early AM happenings I began to feel unsafe. I began carrying a model 38 with a hip grip, appendix carry under a T shirt in summer and a sweat shirt in the winter. The job did require a little athleticism. Lifting, climbing,crawling etc. I carried for four years and no one was the wiser.
The only thing I was concerned about was that if I had been discovered and discharged it might have been difficult to explain to a potential new employer.
I have thought about asking the city commisioners but I dont want to bring any unwanted attention to the matter or my self. I couldnt really carry everyday as climbing in and out of a bucket truck or climbing poles would not be easily done with pistol in my waistband. If I do decide to carry one it will be done at night when im on call in the bad areas and I will just go with the dont ask dont tell, I plan to get a naa 22 mag pocket revolver after christmas to keep in my pocket for when im working.
Some people get really silly over stuff like this. Last month my boss walked into my office and saw my SAK open on my desk. I think I'd just used it to open a package or something similar. She stopped dead in her tracks and asked "Why do yo have a weapon on you desk?". I replied, "That's not a weapon, it's a tool. I just opened this package with it". She dropped the subject but the funny thing to me is that some of our departments are issued these fixed blade knives with 4" blades: Dexter-Russell, Inc.
OLDFED
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Here's an example of the stupidity of our governments: My neighbor's wife works for King County in WA. She is in a job which requires continual contact with "street people" who often show up drunk or angry. By edict, she cannot carry. Her husband, who is not an employee and who has his carry permit, can walk into the county building armed. It has been said that the senior elected officials there do in fact carry. If that's true, then the elite must be more important than the common folk. Personally, I believe that if you are licensed, your permit should apply anywhere...church, school or government building.
ArmyCop
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When you say "Unauthorized" I take that to me having one without a legal permit.
If it were me - and I had my permit - I'd say mine was "Authorized".
If it were me - and I had my permit - I'd say mine was "Authorized".
Jeckel & Hyde
AMEN! scotsbrae, meet all the qualifications yet we have to make arrangements for our gun to stay in the car while we visit the Post Office to buy stamps or any of the other "Forty Eleven" places that guns are prohibited even with the proper credentials. Common sense, huh?
AMEN! scotsbrae, meet all the qualifications yet we have to make arrangements for our gun to stay in the car while we visit the Post Office to buy stamps or any of the other "Forty Eleven" places that guns are prohibited even with the proper credentials. Common sense, huh?
Companies use the cover thy legal *ss policy. You will be fired even if you save the CEO's butt in a situation per the written company policy.
HR is one of the most BS of all company places to deal with. Heaven knows if you mention god or even Christmas (it's holiday greetings) expect to get the look at a lot of the big companies.
HR is one of the most BS of all company places to deal with. Heaven knows if you mention god or even Christmas (it's holiday greetings) expect to get the look at a lot of the big companies.
I am wokring on my masters at a state university. In the state I live in it is legal to CCW on campus but against U policy. I carry a S&W j frame in a 911 holster shirt under a dress shirt and fleece jacket. No one will ever know I am carrying. GO with the holster shirt and a light small gun and no one will ever know that you are prepared to defend yourself.
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