Maybe I can find out how to carry my Browning High Power.?
It has no grip safety!
and used to have a mag safety. Maybe put the mag safety back in , round in the camber and no magazine?
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Maybe I can find out how to carry my Browning High Power.?
It has no grip safety!
and used to have a mag safety. Maybe put the mag safety back in , round in the camber and no magazine?
OFT II
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After all, this is the same army that still issues bayonets.
Yes, that is so, and we did cock the gun as it made racking the slide faster as resistance was reduced.
Same here; when I was patrolling “The Fence” in Germany back in ‘73 we were not issued any ammo for our 1911’s or our Sheridan’s. I was told that should “they’ decide to come across the fence that our life expectancy was 27 seconds and I wouldn’t need any ammo.
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Bkreutz
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After all, this is the same army that still issues bayonets.
I had a trainee ask me one day if they were going to be issued bayonets. I told him that if he was such a bad shot that if the enemy got close enough that he had to fight him with a sharpened stick, he deserved to die. (I think this was the same trainee who asked me what my first name was and I answered "Sergeant"
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I remember Ken Hackethorne saying that military pistols, 1911 included, were designed to be carried condition 3. The thumb safety was there only so that you could safely holster the chambered pistol after you had shot a few rounds. After action, the chamber was emptied and returned to condition 3.
The 1911 series 80 type guns, and the titanium firing spring, are safe for condition 1. That’s how I carry my 1911s
The 1911 series 80 type guns, and the titanium firing spring, are safe for condition 1. That’s how I carry my 1911s
The 1911 I carried in Nam was carried Condition III as per our training. I entered law enforcement in 1968 and the revolver was king for almost 20 years until we switched to the Glock 23, so my comfort level is with the thirty-eight.
Gunsnwater
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Some how a lot of cops found a way to shoot themselves with a lot of Glocks.
Comparing the manual of arms between DA revolvers and SA 1911s is ridiculous.
Fishinfool
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The earliest 1911 manual I could find is dated 1912, amended 1914. It states not to holster a cocked and locked 1911 except in an emergency, and if doing so, to rotate the grip of the gun so as to point the muzzle away from the body.
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/manuals/1911manual.pdf
Larry
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/manuals/1911manual.pdf
Larry
This is true, but how many times have you heard the term "Glock leg" while you seldom hear the term "1911 leg" ?
I feel much more comfortable carrying a cocked and locked 1911 than I do a Glock (or other polymer pistol) that has a light trigger and no safety. The only reason I don't carry my 1911 is because of weight and comfort...my Shield is much more comfortable, and it does have a thumb safety. I have owned polymer, striker fired pistols that seemed to have a lighter trigger pull than a 1911...in fact, I bought a Bersa BP9CC when they first came out, and the trigger pull was scary light...under 2 pounds...and no safety. I traded it back in for that very reason.
This is indeed beyond perception. A cocked revolver with no safety is absolutely not safe for carry. My whole point about the cocked and locked 1911 is that it scares people because of how it looks, and not because it's not safe. I think most people who react to a cocked and locked 1911 are simply unaware of how safe it actually is.
I have carried in condition 1.
The second time that I found the safety off I quit carrying a 1911. Probably should have done it after the first time.
That was many years ago and as many guns.
The second time that I found the safety off I quit carrying a 1911. Probably should have done it after the first time.
That was many years ago and as many guns.
I would have had the safety worked on...it sounds like it needed an adjustment. It should have a very positive click on and off. Also, while I don't carry mine (because of weight) I do have a holster for it that has a strap that goes underneath the hammer.
cmort666
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Maybe I can find out how to carry my Browning High Power.?
It has no grip safety!
Better have a seance with Dieudonne Saive.
cmort666
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I don't recommend Mexican Carry... PERIOD.
cmort666
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One day when I was pay officer in a Basic Training Company at Ft. Knox in the '80s, they withdrew all of the .45acp ammo, so there WASN'T any ammunition.
We were given the choice of providing our own ammunition or carrying an M-16A1. I carried my own Series 70 Colt loaded with my own handloads of a 200gr. Hornady CT JSWC over a stout charge of Unique.
UncleEd
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Let's look to the current advice, and this being the
Smith Forum, I quote from the Smith 1911 manual:
• Do not load the pistol until you are ready to fire. Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to fire.
So there you have it, don't load the 1911 Smith. And I believe
Colt has the same warning in its 1911 manual.
I think the same warning is given for revolvers.
And I work for Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.
Smith Forum, I quote from the Smith 1911 manual:
• Do not load the pistol until you are ready to fire. Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to fire.
So there you have it, don't load the 1911 Smith. And I believe
Colt has the same warning in its 1911 manual.
I think the same warning is given for revolvers.
And I work for Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.
Me either...let 'em walk like everybody else.
Doug M.
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Anyone carrying a firearm for serious purposes should be ready to fire.
I did not serve, but everyone I know who served in any branch maintains that the military is so hoplophobic and paranoid that they would rather not have anyone with firearms most of the time. What I have seen from interactions when I was in LE, this is true. They also maintain universally that the training is utterly abysmal compared to what can be gotten from good quality private trainers. This is especially true of those who have left the military and then entered LE. The rare exceptions are those in SOCOM units.
To be fair, the pistol is at most a secondary weapon for most military personnel, and almost no training time is invested in it for the overwhelming majority, including combat arms. Comparing military use and training to that done elsewhere is not close to valid.
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