confused?.....again

[cant shoot straight]

ive been looking at some hollow points and defense carry load's for my m&p 40 cal c. just like holster's ,there's a bunch to choose from.i have heard that if you shoot a low grain bullet ,the gun will not cycle right and youll have hangups.now ive read a bunch of reviews and alot of them are saying the 135 grain cor-bon nosler cant be beat for a self defense load.could someone shed some light on this for me.?if im not mistaken im thinking the owner's manuel that came with my gun warned about lower grain ammo.

 

[The Sarge]

I do not like the small "botique" ammo companies in any way, especially Cor-bon. Stick to street proven ammo by the big four ammo makers. The 40 S&W caliber was originally designed as a 180gr JHP for law enforcement. My recommendation for 40cal business amm is a 180gr bullet in the following order: Federal HST, Winchester Ranger T, Speer Gold Dot, and Remington Golden Saber.

Got to the Federal/Speer LE site LE - Home and see the ballistic testing data and videos. Above all, choose ammo that functions well in your pistol, that you shoot accurately, and have confidence in. Some may prefer the 40 in 165gr or 155gr. That is fine but 155gr is as light as I would go in 40. Bill

 

[Mule88]

Ive been using Speer 165 gn Gold dots that shoot to point of aim. Excellent ammo!

 

[Kanewpadle]

One thing to remember, you get all kinds of opinions. And that's all they are. Personal opinions with nothing to back them.

Just because law enforcement chooses a specific caliber or manufacturer, that doesn't neccessarily mean that it's the best for them or you.

Often times, price comes into play. Just like everything else with any government entity. Money often dictates who gets the contract.

Caliber and bullet design are a small part of your self defense package.

A good firearm, quality training, practice, and mind set are equally as important.

I completely disagree with first post. Corbon is NOT boutique ammo. Neither is Buffalo Bore or Black Hills ammo. All of which make outstanding ammo.

People often down talk newer ammo companies for no reason other than the fact that they are new. They have no other reason.

Go to your local gunshop and see what they have. Pick a brand and see how it does. Make sure it functions reliably and is accurate. Brand doesn't matter too much. Most of today's self defense ammo will work just fine as long as you do your part.

 

[thndrchiken]

I'd say that any of the premium loads in the 168-180 range will do just fine. Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, Winchester SXT's all have a good reputation for penetration and expansion.

 

[R1_Demon]

One thing to remember, you get all kinds of opinions. And that's all they are. Personal opinions with nothing to back them.

So, I'm guessing that the ballistics testing that The Sarge provided was just an opinion and nothing to back it?

I would actually have to say the total opposite. He did provide his opinion, but he backed it up with information as to why he stated his opinion. Not many people do that. Most just provide opinions, which is fine, but it appears you are trying to get on his case and berate him because he actually provided backup information from an ammo manufacturer that ran actual FBI ballistics tests on various types of ammunition. I would think that would be a good thing that he provided the backup instead of just stating his opinion and leaving it at that.

Not trying to start a war or anything like that and you are right...opinions are like bu**holes...everyone has one. But at least The Sarge was trying to provide Cant Shoot Straight with some backup info so that he/she could make his/her own decision instead of just going off of opinions that are posted up.

Not that you didn't have some good advice of your own, but you also stated YOUR OPINION to the matter, but I didn't see any backup provided by you in reference to your opinions. Also, I don't think price had anything to do with the ballistics testing that The Sarge posted up. In the least, The Sarge was trying to help. No need to try and berate him because he was trying to help the OP out by providing further information. Just because YOU didn't agree with what info he provided doesn't mean you have to berate him about it. How do you know that Cant Shoot Straight didn't really appreciate his information? That isn't what the forum should be about. It should be about helping one another out and trying to provide info to help the OP out...not try and berate someone else because you didn't agree with their post/info that they provided...UNLESS, it provided a safety risk to people. (i.e. Look down the barrel of your gun without clearing it first to make sure it's unloaded) That's a totally different story and someone like that should be berated for putting others at a safety risk.

Just saying we should all try and help each other, even if we do have different opinions, is all.


PS Cant Shoot Straight - My OPINION as to SD ammo question is the Federal 180gr HST's and the Speer 180gr Gold Dots...I have used both in my 40c and like them very well, but use the HST's as my first choice. However, I do not have any evidence/proof to back that up as it is only my opinion and personal experience.

 

[Kanewpadle]

So, I'm guessing that the ballistics testing that The Sarge provided was just an opinion and nothing to back it?

I would actually have to say the total opposite. He did provide his opinion, but he backed it up with information as to why he stated his opinion. Not many people do that. Most just provide opinions, which is fine, but it appears you are trying to get on his case and berate him because he actually provided backup information from an ammo manufacturer that ran actual FBI ballistics tests on various types of ammunition. I would think that would be a good thing that he provided the backup instead of just stating his opinion and leaving it at that.

Not trying to start a war or anything like that and you are right...opinions are like bu**holes...everyone has one. But at least The Sarge was trying to provide Cant Shoot Straight with some backup info so that he/she could make his/her own decision instead of just going off of opinions that are posted up.

Not that you didn't have some good advice of your own, but you also stated YOUR OPINION to the matter, but I didn't see any backup provided by you in reference to your opinions. Also, I don't think price had anything to do with the ballistics testing that The Sarge posted up. In the least, The Sarge was trying to help. No need to try and berate him because he was trying to help the OP out by providing further information. Just because YOU didn't agree with what info he provided doesn't mean you have to berate him about it. How do you know that Cant Shoot Straight didn't really appreciate his information? That isn't what the forum should be about. It should be about helping one another out and trying to provide info to help the OP out...not try and berate someone else because you didn't agree with their post/info that they provided...UNLESS, it provided a safety risk to people. (i.e. Look down the barrel of your gun without clearing it first to make sure it's unloaded) That's a totally different story and someone like that should be berated for putting others at a safety risk.

Just saying we should all try and help each other, even if we do have different opinions, is all.


PS Cant Shoot Straight - My OPINION as to SD ammo question is the Federal 180gr HST's and the Speer 180gr Gold Dots...I have used both in my 40c and like them very well, but use the HST's as my first choice. However, I do not have any evidence/proof to back that up as it is only my opinion and personal experience.

Well......All I can say is your post is so typical. Nobody asked for your two cents. And I'm sure the Sarge can take of himself without your help. If he felt the need to reply I'm sure he would have. And he would have done just fine without your interference.

The problem is guys like you who state that their not trying to "start a war". And they do anyway. Makes no sense.

In my post, I spoke to what I believe is the truth. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter. If you disagree, fine. Tell me why. But don't ever step between two men and interfer.

You mind your business and I'll do the same.

 

[Sevastopol]

ive been looking at some hollow points and defense carry load's for my m&p 40 cal c. just like holster's ,there's a bunch to choose from.i have heard that if you shoot a low grain bullet ,the gun will not cycle right and youll have hangups.now ive read a bunch of reviews and alot of them are saying the 135 grain cor-bon nosler cant be beat for a self defense load.could someone shed some light on this for me.?if im not mistaken im thinking the owner's manuel that came with my gun warned about lower grain ammo.

It's my opinion that you can't beat a 230 gr. bullet.

 

[Larry from Bend]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I carry plain CorBon 135 grain JHPs (not the DPX) in my H&K. WW has just gotten a huge contract for Homeland Security for 135 grain loads in the Ranger line and I'm presently trying them. They are about 1/3 the cost of the CorBons.

 

[Mack]

You know what they say about opinions and body openings. I like to get my info from professionals. I put a lot of stock into what Doc Roberts says, he makes a living testing ammo for the industry and law enforement to insure that it meets the FBI standards. Nowdays unlike in the past there are lots of good choices, bullet design has advanced so that just about any good quality ammo is suited for self defense use. In .40 I perfer the heavier bullets as they actually seem to shoot a little softer, a lot of the 135 and 155 loads are very intense and a heavier bullet at lower speed works just as good. If interested here is a link to some of Doc's results. One thing I found very interesting is that the .357 Sig does not perform that much better than a good 9 mm, shooting through glass may make a difference though.

Service Pistol Duty and Self-Defense Loads - M4Carbine.net Forums

 

[thndrchiken]

Getting off point here but I cannot for the life of me understand why people will knock the 9mm Luger and sing the praises of 38 sp +p or 357 ammo the 9mm is only .02" smaller in diameter and is only about 100-150 fps slower than a 357. I guess it really comes down to bullet choice. Now to get back to the OP, In modern semi's there is a lot of tolerance built into the design of the gun to allow for many variations in ammo. Just about any premium load has had extensive testing before the manufacture will market it as intended for PD.

 

[Pokerstar]

Try them!

The information here by Doc Roberts is really good stuff, and the vast majority of the ammo that he has tested perform within small percentage points of each other. The key is making certain that it cycles reliably IN YOUR PERSONAL WEAPON. I would suggest picking one and testing it IN YOUR WEAPON! Test functionality, test point of impact at 7 yards based on your sights. TEST then TEST again!