Cops Think Outside The Box To Avoid Standoff, Firemen Mad, Say It Puts Them At Risk

[Wheelgunner840]

Originally posted by FairPlayTrader:
Hey Wheelgunner840

I'll give you that one, even though firetrucks don't use keys Smiler.

The 1962 Ford Pumper that my department retired last month used keys! The last fire it fought was in Nov.

LOL! When I started, we had a 66 ford pumper. I cannot remember if it had keys or not. I think it had a key and a push button start.

I think I might have you beat with this one though. We actually ran a 1954 (maybe '56) Am-LaFrance back around 1975. It had a 12 cylinder, 24 valve engine. The nose on this old pumper was as long as the rest of the truck. No brakes to speak of. One had to double clutch and downshift the snot out of it in order to slow it down! Talk about grinding gears!

Those were the days!

These days, they don't even put a back step on the darn things!

Sorry for the thread drift Boomer. I got caught up in the trip down memory lane.

WG840

 

[tom turner]

Yeah,

1. Leave the firefighters out of the deception, for their future safety. This is so important.

2. Convince the local press not to report ALL the details of police techniques used to nab the BGs . . . again, to protect EVERYONE.

3. In the future, the police should disguise themselves as the kind of folks that the BGs welcome with open arms . . . such as Community Organizers and Acorn representatives!

T.

 

[44forever]

I'm with the firefighters on this one. They won't be able to do their job if they are perceived as working with or supplying information to the police.

Does anybody remember the outcry when it was proposed that delivery people, utility workers and others who are routinely admitted to peoples' houses should report anything suspicious to the homeland security?

As for the press, if they don't report every detail they can get their hands on, they're not doing their jobs. What if the details they don't report would show abuse of constitutional rights?

 

[Wheelgunner840]

Originally posted by tom turner:
..... police should disguise themselves as the kind of folks that the BGs welcome with open arms . . . such as Community Organizers and Acorn representatives!

Very good Tom!

WG840

 

[jjones33]

Bad, bad idea and even worse when they did it. Nashville's paramedics were issued virtually the same uniform as the Nashville Metro Police as a cost saving measure. Did they ever kick a fit. Valid point was that they usually showed up at a shooting BEFORE the police did and the last thing they wanted to look like was the po-po in bad neighborhoods.

 

[WR Moore]

Since FF tend to use LE as hazardous materials detectors at accident scenes, where's the issue?

More seriously, the driving issue here was that the original incident took place in an apartment building. There was more at risk than the offender. However they handled the issue, there would have been much criticism flowing.

 

[Wheelgunner840]

Since FF tend to use LE as hazardous materials detectors at accident scenes, where's the issue?

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I don't understand this. In the city where I worked, we were trained to handle haz-mat. The police were trained to stay back. "Each others keeper" and all that, actually meant something to us. Not sure what you mean exactly.

WG840

 

[Faulkner]

Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:

Since FF tend to use LE as hazardous materials detectors at accident scenes, where's the issue?

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I don't understand this. In the city where I worked, we were trained to handle haz-mat. The police were trained to stay back. "Each others keeper" and all that, actually meant something to us. Not sure what you mean exactly.

WG840

Have you never heard of the term "blue canary"?

 

[Wheelgunner840]

Originally posted by Faulkner:
Have you never heard of the term "blue canary"?

Can't say that I have. If it happened that a LEO walked into a haz-mat scene unknowingly prior to our arrival, that would be a tragic accident, not purposely caused by the FD. At least not in my neck of the woods. Sounded to me that the post I quoted,

Since FF tend to use LE as hazardous materials detectors at accident scenes, where's the issue?

suggested using the PD in that way. Not a chance.

WG840

 

[WR Moore]

LE usually beats the fire folks to accident scenes, especially on the interstate. My son was the one who told me about using LE as haz-mat detectors.

I'll also point out that I once worked an accident where the truck wasn't visible from the road. The truck driver managed to get to where we were and informed us the wreck was a gasoline tanker. First time I ever drove 40+ mph in reverse-we just got clear when the truck blew.

My son also told a funny story about responding to an accident scene on I-95. They saw someone running toward them as they approached. Realizing it was the truck driver, they stopped. The driver didn't. He dropped the manifest and kept running saying something about "Methyl-ethyl-nasty-stuff" as he passed.

My apologies to the moderators about the previously attempted quote, wasn't thinking.

 

[CelticSire]

I think the PD in this instance could have used a different method, and done it more effectively.