ragman
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I wish I had a few better pics but this one will give you an idea. There are 4 or 5 of this size and build on my farm. They are not the standard size and build I have had here before.
Coyotes made Mistake
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susieqz
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rag, that is much thicker bodied than any coyote i've ever seen.
kill it.
kill it.
fat tom
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Well,let me be the first to tell you that it's pretty damned difficult to take a drink from the Great Lakes when you live in Colorado,OR South Carolina! And just what is YOUR point in posting a comment like that in this thread? You just made my list. Congrats!
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Maybe.
Lots of animals had much larger ranges before Europeans came to this continent, including the bison, wolf, grizzly, and elk.
I've been in the woods and mountains of north Georgia and southern North Carolina since the 50s. I have or have had friends, family, and acquaintances that have spent their lives outdoors in those areas as farmers, hunters, trappers, moonshiners, surveyors, and game wardens.
I have lived in rural north Georgia since the 70s.
The coyote was a totally unknown creature in north Georgia before the 1990s. Before then, none of these people who had been here all their lives had ever seen or heard of a coyote in the area.
They appeared suddenly, as if large numbers of them had been airlifted in. Within a decade, they were in every county in Georgia.
I wish I had a few better pics but this one will give you an idea. There are 4 or 5 of this size and build on my farm. They are not the standard size and build I have had here before.
Ragman--that is definitely a cross of some sort--no way that is pure coyote. I don't know the status of wolves in NC but that sure looks like a wolf cross to me. Or heck, simply a wolf.
PS. I just pulled Fish and Wildlife site and I don't know where you are located in NC, but I think that's a Red Wolf.
https://www.fws.gov/nc-es/mammal/redwolf.html
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fat tom
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Looks like a wolf to me too,but then I've never seen one myself. The OP is from NC and I do recall a failed attempt 10 or 15 years ago to re-introduce the red wolf to the NC & SC barrier islands. They promptly swam to the mainland. So much for that! Very possible,imo,that this could be an offspring of those original transplants. One thing for sure,it ain't no 'yote!
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BigBill
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The wolves from canada cross from upper New York state it's been going on for decades now. There interbreeding with out Yotes.
My new game camera shows the Yotes coming by every hour on the hour on certain nights. Followed by a fox inbetween. The three tamed feral cats are aware of this. The other night a 400lb black bear showed up. I have bobcat, Lynx, MOUNTAINLION besides. We need an open season on predators soon. I have horse farms all around me.
And much more aggressive without the fear of people. They have adapted to live in suburban and even urban environments.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coywolf
Doug M.
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To my (non-expert) eyes, the photo in #82 is what I think of as a coyote. Whatever it is in #86 is not. The few coyotes I have seen are not at all interested in me, and fled. I am not real concerned about them as a threat to me. That other? Uh, yeah, I'd be a lot more cautious.
OP
I think some kind of Culture Clash has mixed in this thread. Not
all gun people are hunters or engaged in the outdoors. We plant
food plots for the wildlife. Nothing is shot, just for the sake of
shooting it. Our looking out for the wildlife is why this area was
a hunters paradise. Before the coyote there was no wild animal
problems. We have the coyote, down south they have the feral
hogs, some metro areas have a deer problem. The deer problems
can be solved with special seasons. Coyote & Hogs are harder.
They are more prolific breeders. Being a dog owner has nothing
to do with shooting a coyote. Killing all animals because they
might cause a problem, is a stupid statement. There has been
much made of the "Fact" that coyotes were in 49 states. I don't
know who claimed this, but if you ask people who actually live
in these areas, you will find the Coyote has invaded in recent
years. The "how" they got here is the $64 question.
all gun people are hunters or engaged in the outdoors. We plant
food plots for the wildlife. Nothing is shot, just for the sake of
shooting it. Our looking out for the wildlife is why this area was
a hunters paradise. Before the coyote there was no wild animal
problems. We have the coyote, down south they have the feral
hogs, some metro areas have a deer problem. The deer problems
can be solved with special seasons. Coyote & Hogs are harder.
They are more prolific breeders. Being a dog owner has nothing
to do with shooting a coyote. Killing all animals because they
might cause a problem, is a stupid statement. There has been
much made of the "Fact" that coyotes were in 49 states. I don't
know who claimed this, but if you ask people who actually live
in these areas, you will find the Coyote has invaded in recent
years. The "how" they got here is the $64 question.
BigBill
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I plant food plots, clover ect. Field of corn for deer. Fruit trees for deer.
I'm a hunter but love stalking bears. Looking for one special trophy. But like stalking much better.
I'm a hunter but love stalking bears. Looking for one special trophy. But like stalking much better.
Don't forget....
Don't forget Kudzu. Did you know that farmers were PAID to sow that stuff?
https://www.google.com/search?q=kud...KHc6uAOMQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=rQ8iMG9fZi6HTM:
Don't forget Kudzu. Did you know that farmers were PAID to sow that stuff?
https://www.google.com/search?q=kud...KHc6uAOMQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=rQ8iMG9fZi6HTM:
I guess I was referring to......
...animals like the Passenger pigeon which weren't regulated. And salt water fishing was open game here, but now you can't kill sharks because they are 'endangered' (yeah right) and the rules are fixed so that a lot of what you catch in the ocean is illegal.
...animals like the Passenger pigeon which weren't regulated. And salt water fishing was open game here, but now you can't kill sharks because they are 'endangered' (yeah right) and the rules are fixed so that a lot of what you catch in the ocean is illegal.
Texas Star
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muddocktor
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That picture in post #86 looks more like either a red wolf or a coywolf than a coyote to me. Too big to be a coyote for one thing and the head features are more wolf-like. And I should know, since my daughter has had a high content hybrid wolf for the last 3 years. She is a beautiful animal and she totally loves her family (her pack) but you can see the wild wolf in her occasionally. She looks like the timber wolves that make up greater than 75% of her ancestry.
And BTW, I have no problem with eliminating potentially hazardous wildlife if needed. I live about 5 miles away from the Atchafalaya Basin as the crow flies and there is all kind of potentially dangerous animals around, including coyotes, red wolves, black bears and some darned big gators. And also around 4-5 years ago I was driving home from Lafayette LA at night and within 1 mile of my house I saw crossing the road what I think to be some kind of big cat such as a cougar. It was by the side of the road and was of a size to be at least 100 lbs or bigger. And it wasn't a dog or hog or anything domesticated.
And BTW, I have no problem with eliminating potentially hazardous wildlife if needed. I live about 5 miles away from the Atchafalaya Basin as the crow flies and there is all kind of potentially dangerous animals around, including coyotes, red wolves, black bears and some darned big gators. And also around 4-5 years ago I was driving home from Lafayette LA at night and within 1 mile of my house I saw crossing the road what I think to be some kind of big cat such as a cougar. It was by the side of the road and was of a size to be at least 100 lbs or bigger. And it wasn't a dog or hog or anything domesticated.
Texas Star
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It's widely accepted among scientists that the Red Wolf (Canis niger) is breeding with coyotes (Canis latrans ) and that THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING CAUSE OF PURE RED WOLF NUMBERs DROPPING.
Sorry: hit the danged Caps Lock.
Anyway, this means that Red Wolves are more rare and that coywolves are probably smarter and more aggressive.
Yes, I know that Canis niger means Black Dog. Red would be Canis rufus. I asked a biologist about this, and all we could figure is that the naming scientist saw the black variant of the Red Wolf and named it, then realized that it's just a color phase of the Red Wolf.
The Timber Wolf is a larger species, Canis lupus. It lives further north than the Red Wolf, at least in modern times. I'm having trouble italicizing the Latin names. That takes better mouse control than I have tonight. I'm tired!
The Little Red Riding Hood wolf is the Euro version of C. lupus. THe one that inspired the story was the Beast of Gevaudan, in France, about 1760. It, and possibly a second one, killed many persons. Wolves have caused many human casualties in such countries as India, Finland, the former Soviet Union, etc. If not in N. America in modern times, it's probably because firearms made them afraid of men. In Euro countries and in India, where peasants were without guns, the toll rose.
In India, the wolf means the true wolf. The Dhole is a separate threat.
Sorry: hit the danged Caps Lock.
Anyway, this means that Red Wolves are more rare and that coywolves are probably smarter and more aggressive.
Yes, I know that Canis niger means Black Dog. Red would be Canis rufus. I asked a biologist about this, and all we could figure is that the naming scientist saw the black variant of the Red Wolf and named it, then realized that it's just a color phase of the Red Wolf.
The Timber Wolf is a larger species, Canis lupus. It lives further north than the Red Wolf, at least in modern times. I'm having trouble italicizing the Latin names. That takes better mouse control than I have tonight. I'm tired!
The Little Red Riding Hood wolf is the Euro version of C. lupus. THe one that inspired the story was the Beast of Gevaudan, in France, about 1760. It, and possibly a second one, killed many persons. Wolves have caused many human casualties in such countries as India, Finland, the former Soviet Union, etc. If not in N. America in modern times, it's probably because firearms made them afraid of men. In Euro countries and in India, where peasants were without guns, the toll rose.
In India, the wolf means the true wolf. The Dhole is a separate threat.
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Texas Star
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans
About wolf attacks, an excellent summary. Lists three in North America.
Separately, see, The Beast of Gevaudan. I was wrong above about the date. Instead of 1760, the events were from 1764-1767. As many as 210 persons were attacked, many slain, some partially consumed. This is a fascinating account of wolf attacks, extending into modern times.
For attacks by other canids, try looking under the species' name. A woman was killed in Dallas by domestic dogs, this month. Happens pretty often.
About wolf attacks, an excellent summary. Lists three in North America.
Separately, see, The Beast of Gevaudan. I was wrong above about the date. Instead of 1760, the events were from 1764-1767. As many as 210 persons were attacked, many slain, some partially consumed. This is a fascinating account of wolf attacks, extending into modern times.
For attacks by other canids, try looking under the species' name. A woman was killed in Dallas by domestic dogs, this month. Happens pretty often.
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BUFF
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I intensely dislike mosquitos, some wasps and hornets, magpies and coyotes. And skunks. If there were more raccoons around here, I'd dislike them, too. When I was a college student, my Dad had a friend who owned a large sheep ranch north of Elko, Nevada. He would loan me a 4WD pickup and a lamb to use to shoot coyotes at night. Stake out the lamb, hike up the hill 50 feet, and when that lamb started bawling for it's momma, the coyotes would come running in. The rancher put me up, fed me well, paid my gas and gave me $50 for each coyote I brought in.
I can tell you that lambs don't like riding in the bed of a pickup with dead coyotes.
I can tell you that lambs don't like riding in the bed of a pickup with dead coyotes.
ragman
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I have looked at all the pics I have and I am 85% sure it is a coywolf. I hope too get a few more pics at just the right angle to be sure. I think FatTom is correct about it being a red wolf mix. I am leaning towards it being coyote/wolf/dog mix.
The one thing I do know is their behavior is not like any yotes I have encountered before. They do not seem too fear me. Instead of running away they will slowly move off and hide some distance away and watch me. When I move to another area they follow and watch. It is a little unnerving to see one and be working some were else later on and see one watching you only 200 feet away. They have never acted aggressive or made a sound but I get the feeling I am being stalked. Maybe I am just paranoid and they are just curious. Time will tell.
On another note. The kill sites I had were most likely feral dogs. I have several pics of large dogs all 75 to 100 lbs. These dogs are not long for this world.
Interesting thread.He looks a lot heavier than a typical coyote.Theres a pair that den in an undeveloped area not a mile from here surrounded by suburbs.The female is small and elusive.The male is much larger and is indifferent to people when he's hunting mice or whatever.I think the coy-dog hybrid explanation fits what I'm seeing.
