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I bought a Night Guard model 396 a month or so ago. It is a 44spl.
I was looking into Crimson Trace laser grips for it. I think it would be LG -306. Anyhoo, has anyone used these? Are they worth a damn? It is my CCW gun and shoots good.
Any thoughts/opinions would be great.
Thanks in advance.
Mitch
 

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Nice gun!
They're not junk at all, but you'd probably be better served buying $225 worth of practice ammo and going to the range more often. I had a pair of CT305's for a J frame and ended up selling them. They're good for dryfire practice because any error in technique is quickly apparent, but most people I see using them at the range are slower getting their shots off than those using conventional sights. You need to be careful while cleaning because solvents and oils can damage the lens. For me, they're not worth the trouble and expense.
 
I wouldn't be without a set for my carry gun. Practice will solve the "slow" target acquisition. Most bad encounters occur under poor lighting. CT's are PERFECT for this.

Nothing is a magic bullet but you, with practice, can solve a LOT of problems.

Dale53
 
Your 396 is a L frame, round butt so the 306 or 308 would be correct. I love CT grips and have used them down range on M1911s, M9s, SIG 226s and M4 (Vertical Foregrip). They diffenintly have their place. Checking behind obstacles, gun held lower then your body check under things and for point shooting while seated. How can you aim without sticking your gun out the drivers window when a potenial carjacker threatens you? If you extend out to see the sights you have the potential to be disarmed. Keep it in close to the body and use the laser. Its just another tool in the tool box to be used when needed.

CD
 
I have CT's on a 3" model 60. It's primary function is home defense. The CT's are very well made, comfortable secure grip, and amazingly accurate. However anything with batteries is subject to being dead when you need it. Get on a planned schedule for replacing the batteries whether you think they need it or not.

My opinion is that the proper way to use CT's is to learn to shoot like you don't have them, practice with them turned off. Don't rely on them to bring the gun on target. Then if you ever have to use your gun in a low light situation, the laser is right there as added reference.

The one thing a laser does that no other aiming device can do is allow you to accurately fire with your arm extended around cover while keeping your body shielded. For this reason alone they are worth having on a defensive weapon.
 
Thanks guys! I shoot almost every weekend. And sometimes both Saturday and Sunday. I reload alot for this. So I do very well with just the iron sights. I was wanting the lazer for the better tool box. I will be out tomorrow testing out my skills. I hope to get the CT soon. Will let you al know how they work.
Once again thanks.
 
Crimson Trace grips are well worth the money. They are a quality product.

They are especially great for moving targets.
 
Crimson Trace is very much worth the money. You need to adjust them so the dot shows above your front sight within a reasonable "encounter" range. Practice as though they weren't there, or are just a tritium sight--keep using the sight. That way, if you get in a low-light condition they're just there for you as an extra edge.

You should also practice using them for non-ideal shooting positions where you don't have the sights lined up with your eye. Shoot from the hip, out to the side, around cover, etc. That's the other situation where you'd really want it.
 
You need to be careful while cleaning because solvents and oils can damage the lens. For me, they're not worth the trouble and expense.

It's too bad CTC doesn't fix the grips with a piece of plastic to completely seal the diode in the grips.

This is my only gripe with laser grips. Otherwise, I feel ccw guns are improved with their use.
 
Quote by Larry Vickers:

Visible Lasers & CTC Lasergrips
As many of you know I am a consultant for Crimson Trace Lasergrips. I am sure some of you will quit reading right now expecting this to be a "puff piece" talking about how great they are and not admitting any downside. Those of you in that category certainly don't know me very well. The following is the reality of visible lasers & CTC Lasergrips according to Larry Vickers with no punches pulled.

I used to think, like many others, that pistol lasers were a joke. Fortunately for me I have not had to eat as much crow over this topic as my good friend Ken Hackathorn but I have eaten my fair share. After giving them an honest assessment here is what it really boils down to: a laser on a pistol offers much the same advantages as red dot reflex sights on a carbine or SMG. Under stress shooting scenarios they make shooting a handgun a much easier task; they are a very useful tool in the toolbox.

I highlight CTC lasers in my night fire portion of my handgun instruction along with night sights and white light principles and techniques. At night and in conditions of limited visibility they are nothing short of awesome; they make accurate handgun shooting easier than any other sighting system currently on the market. Don't get me wrong, night sights and white light have their place but a visible laser at night rules. Period. Anyone who has had one of my classes or been taught by Ken Hackathorn can attest to that. They dramatically improve the shooters ability to get accurate hits at night. Of course like anything else visible lasers have pros and cons and we will highlight those in detail.

1) Where and when to use lasers – a rule of thumb is any time you have any degree of difficulty seeing your pistol sights then a visible laser will be an advantage. For instance coming into a building from outside even during the day the laser will be of value indoors. Out in bright daylight I prefer my iron sights and find the laser a bit of a distraction. Anytime you combine low or reduced visibility with shooting on the move or unconventional shooting positions the laser is a distinct advantage. Police have found that visible lasers to be a distinct advantage while using a shield; that would fall into the unconventional shooting position category mentioned above. They are also excellent training aids for watching shooter trigger control as any movement during the trigger squeeze will show up on target. When first using the laser shooters will try and eliminate all movement and early on this can cause shooters snatching or jerking the trigger. Once you learn to accept your wobble zone (which is now more visible due to the visible laser on target) then fast and accurate shooting comes more naturally. Once mastered you can shoot faster and more accurate under low light conditions than you ever could with regular pistol sights or even night sights for that matter.

2) Special Considerations with lasers – As a battery operated device occasionally they will need new batteries. Crimson Trace advertises a 4 hour continuous run time on their laser grips. That is sufficient for most use as I can attest; I have not had to change any batteries to date. Oil, solvents, water and dust can all play a part in making the visible laser less than 100% functional. Because of this they do occasionally need maintenance and cleaning. I know that is a shocker to many but it is probably a good idea once in awhile to make sure your pistol is properly cleaned, lubricated, and maintained. That would include your visible laser aiming device. I am a believer in having your laser separate from your white light for a couple reasons. You will always have an enhanced night fighting capability even when your white light is removed and you can have serious issues with retaining zero depending on the light/laser mounting system. For these reasons and others I prefer Crimson Trace Lasergrips over accessory rail mounted light/laser units. One downside is CTC does not make Lasergrips for every service pistol on the market so depending on your gun you may not have an option.

3) Durability and reliability – CTC has sold thousands of M9 Beretta Laser Grips to the US Military. They have been received with overwhelming positive feedback. Remember the M9 does not even have night sights so the Lasergrips add a low light capability that simply did not exist before. This is a huge advantage and many of the troops appreciate it. The visible laser is also very useful for crowd control as the "red dot" seems to cross all language and cultural barriers. As we know combat is the ultimate test bed and CTC has taken lessons learned in the sandbox and is moving forward with a true milspec M9 Lasergrip: water and dust proof. It is being developed as this is written so it is too soon to project a date when they will be available.

My personal favorite CTC Lasergrips are the S&W J frame versions (every J frame on the planet should have them; it is nothing short of a revolutionary shooting aid on that gun), the model 401 M1911 version, and the M9 Beretta Lasergrips. I use and endorse all three of these. That is not to say these are the only ones worth using just that they are my favorites. Another little trick is to send the plastic Lasergrips to David Bowie (not the singer) at Bowie Tactical Concepts Home Page for his superb stippling. This makes them less slippery and because of the way Dave stipples them it actually enhances the appearance of the grips. I was the first to start this trend with David and I would not use a set without it. Highly recommended.

I will close this by saying if you have not tried a visible laser you should. Especially if CTC makes a pair of Lasergrips for your favorite blaster. Remember they are meant to augment the standard pistol sights, not replace them. They are simply another tool in the tool box.

Crimson Trace Lasergrips

CD
 
I have a pair of the hog hunter (LG-308 I believe) on my 3" 686 and they are nice and all but they are only a backup option like what was said before they can fail, so practice like they are not there. I think one gun fitted with them is gonna be my only pair for me.
 
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I have Crimson Trace grips on three handguns -- S&W 637 and 686+, and T-series Browning Hi Power. I would not buy a handgun for which CT did not make laser grips. Of course, my eyes will be seventy-nine years old next month, and cannot even SEE the iron sights without my glasses. But I can see that red dot on the target, and I just love watching it become become a black hole.

Cordially, Jack
 
I have quite a few guns equipped with Crimson Trace.

I think even in daylight they work for my eyes. I find it hard to see the front site and the rear is of course worse. I can see everything well from 15 feet to infinity. When I compete I use glasses that focus right on the front sight but then the target is tough. When I go about daily life I use the variable progressive lenses but when shooting it takes a long time to find the sights.

With the Crimson Trace I can focus on the target look down the barrel, the sights are there but pretty fuzzy but the dot is right where the round is going. I can see the dot on all but the brightest days to 15 or 20 yards. If I got in trouble beyond that range I guess I have a bit more time to find the sweet spot in my glasses.

I wish they made a more compact grip for the N frame, I had to cut down the Hog Hunter on my 629 for carry. I would buy 3 more if they would.

I agree with some of the other post about just another tool in the box, don't depend on just them, but I also think you should practice with them in daylight doing lots of target transitions and weak hand, strong hand shooting. I like to keep fiber optics on my 629 also, if it is too bright out to see the dot, the fibers ought to be jumping right out at ya.

I recommend them to all my students and friends. My wife and daughter have them on their guns too.

Better to have them and not need them, than to need them and not have them.

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I can appreciate this thread. I'm on the fence about a CT grip for my model 66 (2.5 brl). The few folks that I know that have them all tell me that they are great in low light.
 
I own several sets of CrimsonTrace Laser grips and all were flawless out of the box.
My wife took my first set for her carry/car gun.
Then I had to buy her another set for her house gun. I pity the poor SOB that breaks into our house.
Our daughter got the next set.
I finally got the 4th set.

Recently, I bought a used set of CT grips and they would not adjust. The factory repaired them at no costs! Even after I told them I had purchased them used and offered to pay.

I have a set of 405's that are advertised to fit the S&W 360. However, they do not work on the 360PD! The laser hits the cylinder.
I would love to use these on the 360PD.

Combat Diver, maybe you can address this?

I thought the 360PD was identical to the 360 except for the metals used.
Note: they work fine on my other J-frames.

Many police officers talk of how humble a suspect can get when he sees that red dot on his chest.

If you put a set of CT grips on your gun you don't have to use the laser, but you can never use the laser if they aren't installed on the gun.

I advise, buy 'em.
 
I have them on 3 different guns in my carry rotation. I practice with them off until my last 10 rounds then I turn them on.
Replace the batteries for $2.00 at the same time you change the ones in your smoke detector at the house and call it good.

If you are concerned with solvent getting into the laser, just take them off the gun. The hardest set I have to remove takes approx 90 seconds to remove and holds zero when reinstalled.

As with any product not everybody will like it but in my opinion they are money well spent.
 
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I'm a big Crimson Trace supporter.

I have CT's on 3 of my guns and they are great.

I can hit the target faster & with less effort than using just my sights.

They were very easy to install and zero in.

Through multiple 100's of shots they have never lost zero.

:)
 
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