Criticize me; Walmart shoplifting confrontation

[pharmer]

Agree, but I don't think they are ready for a gunfight either.......

Regardless of training nobody is truly "ready" for a gunfight. Countless "survivor analyses" basically state: "**** broke loose all of a sudden and I did the best I could with what I had." Joe

 

[beagleye]

Mind your own business!

Yep!

Yep!

Yep!

 

[THEmodelof1989]

Hi Ziggy, thanks for the question. It's a good one.

Remember this is my professional opinion, not a personal one, and it is not subject to my interpretation. It is based on law and validated by the courts. Hitting a child in the face is child abuse according to WV law.

For instance if the child went to school with bruises in the face, the teacher would have the same duty-to-report to CPS. If there is suspicion of child abuse, the teacher must either report or cause the report to be sent to CPS. If the teacher discusses the bruised face with her principal and he reports it to the Hotline, she is off the hook and the legal requirement has been met.

If a parent is known to be hitting their children like this a court will remove them from the home and put them into temporary foster care.

The parent then has 3 months (up to six months) to get counseling and convince the counselor and CPS worker (who represents the state and the child) that the parent has successfully passed parenting classes and under supervision can now provide a safe environment for the child.

If the parent is non-compliant then parental rights are terminated. That means the parent has no right to see the child, make any decisions about their care. The court issues a non-contact order which makes the parent a stranger to their biological child except with less rights.
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In the case I said I intervened in, I strongly suspect she boogied so fast was because that was not her first contact with Children's Services, and she knew what the consequences might be.

You don't hit you child in front of a CPS worker.

All you need to do is a quick google to see how wrong you are. Corporal punishment is completely LEGAL in all 50 states including West Virginia; even in front of a CPS worker. I've attached a link to the virginia statutes on abuse and neglect. As long as you aren't leaving marks, slap away.


West Virginia Code

(I'm not an attorney).

 

[EdinDenver]

My opinion - you did the right thing. Loss of property is not your business. If you saw something happening, then be a good witness...if you can sneak cell phone photos or video, all the better.

When I first saw your thread I and mentioned two individuals, I was a bit nervous...a few years ago at a Wal-Mart (Texas and Arizona both come to mind for some reason) there was a shooting. Guy with CCW takes out an armed suspect....and he didn't know about the second bad guy. Second bad guy killed the guy with CCW. Tragic.

 

[Rubone]

As I read the original post, I got the distinct feeling the OP was more looking for a confrontation than thinking of how to prevent one. A good way to end up dead IMHO!

 

[Drm50]

Some jurisdictions can be hard on brandishing a weapon. It gets down to
the fact their must be a life threating situation to pull a gun whether you
shoot or not. Some districts are more into common sense others that are
anti areas you may get in trouble for holding a person at gun point. There is a rancher on the border who is in a legal jam and getting sued over holding a party of illegals tresspassers on his ranch while brandishing a pistol. Maybe he should have ran off and called Border Patrol but it was his business on his property.

 

[Dvan34]

One possibility is that now "carrying concealed", you may have the concept that you are obligated to protect other people, as a 'Sheepdog complex'. Don't. You have already heard good advice from other qualified people. Once you engage you are in it up to your neck. I may carry when I go into a bank, but I am not obligated to stop a bank robbery. Protect myself yes, if it appears that I need to but I am not a LEO. Even they must be careful engaging now. We don't want to precipatate something that ends up getting others killed or injured- or yourself. There was not even the hint of a weapon or life threat between the store employee or the man. Another thing about a potential bank robbery- you can never tell if other perps are involved - that you are not aware of.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

I think you should practice more than "3-4 times a year live fire."

yup.....
3-4 times per month , is a slow month for me.
being proficient , and licensed is great , but live fire is just good ol' fashioned fun.
At least for me.
and my wife
and my kids
family bonding & fun while sharpening life skills.

as far as the store incident......
"Nunya" - as the kids would say.
"None ya dang business"

 

[handejector]

Cleanup on Aisle 3!

Like yesterday's Juicy Fruit gum, I think we've chewed all the flavor outa this one.