Current status of National Reciprocity Bills

dlombard

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Howdy,

I'm still new here so my apologies if this post could use some quality control, but I am curious about this as my own knowledge about these things continues to expand. I saw something earlier today that reminded me that, at some point in the past, I'd read something about "national reciprocity." I'd forgotten about this since, but was reminded of it today.

I did some searching around and after skipping past websites with basic information on the law on a state-by-state basis (not what I was interested in), I finally found something that suggested new legislation for a national reciprocity law to federalize a statute that would render valid out of state CCW permits so long as you aren't a citizen precluded from CCW eligibility in your own state (such as being a felon of course).

Anyway, I found the link at https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150320/new-update-national-right-to-carry-reciprocity-legislation which is Great to read but I checked the House of Representatives bills at congress.gov and these haven't moved an inch. What are the chances this is going to go forward? I wanted to try and sign the petition or write my lawmakers, but the NRA-ILA's own website 404s. In reality, I have no hope of my Reps or Senators voting for such a thing (I'm represented by two, horrifically anti-2nd amendment Senators and one Representative). But I'd love to help or contribute in some way (whether that is with contributions to the any lawsuits pending, underway or about to be filed) or being among the chorus of voices advocating for this law.

I feel those of us in jurisdictions where we are Essentially barred the right to protect our lives outside of our own home are sitting ducks for the next time someone escapes custody (or is released in yet another prisoner population reduction (early release) program). It shouldn't be up to the Chief of Police or the County Sheriff to personally review and approve of every person that wants to be able to carry in defense of their lives when they least expected to have to defend it. A law like this TOO important to ignore and allow to die on the vine, as it were. There's a majority in Congress now of people you'd think would be friendly to legislation by this, but I have seen no movement on this in over a year.

What's it going to take to get some action on this?
 
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Well, when I think about it, I suppose that make sense. Because the problem is of course the power of veto and the extremely difficult task of securing enough people (in the Senate?) to overturn such a thing. I guess it would be less difficult to see if we find someone more cooperative in The White House first.
 
The problem with a national reciprocity bill is that it will come with strings attached, among them most likely would be federally mandated testing and training requirements.

We have IL, which has among the most strict and cumbersome requirements bordering IN, which has no training requirements. Do you think IL will let the Feds force them to honor IN without some say into their process?

OH does not honor any out of state license that does not have equivalent training and background check procedures.

How about states that do not require permits? Will they be required to issue them?

It is a state issue, not a federal issue.
 
It ain't happening under the current administration.
 
The right to keep and bear (carry) arms shall not be infringed.

If the Feds were the least bit interested in protecting my right to carry they would arrest and prosecute state officials for infringing upon my Constitutional rights with fees and licensing schemes.

No. All the Feds are interested in is getting control and meddling with fees and licensing schemes, and infringing upon all. No thanks.
 
Rubio and Cruz profess to be very strong advocates of the 2nd Amendment - it appears that they have been off the reservation when it comes to a reciprocity bill. When the pending bill stalled in the house they certainly could have introduced a like same version in the senate.
 
Passing such legislation right now would be a waste of time. Obama would just veto it and there aren't enough votes to overturn his veto. IMO: There will be a much better chance of passage in 2017.
Jim
 
Obama will just veto it has been the stock Republican Leadership answer to just about EVERY issue and nothing is getting done. Cruz and Rubio are both in a position to begin something in the senate and while they claim to be strong supporters of the 2nd amendment neither has introduced any legislation. Easy to say you are for something, harder to actually do something to support your claimed beliefs. Call me a skeptic.
 
johngalt is correct, Until all states have "uniform training requirements", many states will be against any National bill. I'm from IL also, and we have mandatory 16 hours of training, of which many prior training will be recognized for 8 hours, such as: Military Service, Hunter safety certification, but there will still be 8 hours including actual shooting qualifications. After having been an instructor, and teaching new shooters on and off for over 30 years, I wonder if 16 hours is enough. If you have the right attitude it usually is, but at least in IL an Instructor can refuse to issue a certification of completion for failure of completion which can include a appropriate attitude, NOT "shoot them all and let God sort them out" attitude which I have witnessed.
 
I have read the 2nd many times and I can't find anywhere in it about so many hours of training, getting a permit, or any of the other government mandated money makers!!!
 
To me this falls under the same ruling as the one legalizing gay marriage held anywhere to be legal everywhere, I believe this can be called reciprocity . Not all states have same drivers license regulations but any DL is good in every state. (reciprocity?) My Fl tags are bought and used by different rules than some states but are legal anywhere (there's that R word again)

Why are gun rules different? For some reason no one mentions the 14th amendment anymore (equal protection)

For those who suggest the courts would like to keep state's rights the SCOTUS has been having a field day using the Supremacy Clause to basically destroy what State's rights are left.
 
To the original post DLombard, your simplest solution would be to get out of LA County and go to Orange or San Bernardino county. The sheriffs are much more friendly there. And LA County will still have to honor your permit while you are there.

Or just wait and see how the Peralta case ends up. That decision should be some time this year.
 
One might think that this issue was settled by the "full faith" provision in the US Constitution, requiring every state to recognize the lawful acts of other states (such as marriage licenses, drivers licenses, divorce decrees, child custody orders, etc, etc, etc).

But that would require all of the states and territories to actually pay attention to the US Constitution, which is something that has never happened.
 
Last week I read that there were 200 co-sponsors of the House bill and some co-sponsors in the Senate (no number stated). The bills have been referred to committees in both houses. Whether there will be hearings or just a mark up of the bills to get them to a vote is not clear. The exec is highly likely to sign them upon passage.

However, the legislation is not a panacea. Within the bills is language that requires the permit holder to abide by the laws of states not just his or her state when carrying in any state. So, in the anti 2A states they can pass laws in response to the reciprocity legislation that make CC practically impossible.

I imagine that NY, NJ, MA, CT, WA, CA, OR, MD would enact laws that set requirements that none of us will be able to meet. Unless the national act deals with that I see it as a political move not a practical move.

I have both PA and AZ licenses. Between the two I can pretty much visit any state except for the ones mentioned above in the bowl of alphabet soup.
 
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