fiasconva
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Update: One of the other customers in the store has established a Go Fund Me page for the shooter to help pay for his legal expenses. Just goes to show you just how grateful they are to him.
Customer shoots 2 armed robbers
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That dead fella' in Gilroy would take umbrage at your postulation. . .
I suspect that the reason the grand jury refused to indict the store manager was that the deceased was a career felon.
Unless an element of the crime, that fact is generally not introduced, even at trial . . .
This (grand jury decision) may well be an indication of the general population being fed up with outlawry. I would assume the local news had covered the incident prior to the grand jury.
flagman1776
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A case near me some time ago... a guy got into it with a neighbor, neighbor assulted him at his front door... both men tumbling down a half flight split level stairs. Guy draws a ppk/s and fires at neighbor as neighbor turns and runs out of guys's house. Guy follows him into the street and fires again, striking neighbor who dies. The guy claims self defense, is convicted anyway and sent to state prison.
I see so many cases... where defender carries it into the street while perp is fleeing. I feel that taking up a cover position to make sure perp is gone, renderng first aid to any injured, calling 9-1-1 is the correct action.
I see so many cases... where defender carries it into the street while perp is fleeing. I feel that taking up a cover position to make sure perp is gone, renderng first aid to any injured, calling 9-1-1 is the correct action.
I believe that under NO circumstances....
...should you chase somebody out into the open and fire down the street after them.
...should you chase somebody out into the open and fire down the street after them.
Well, if they're carrying my kid or heading up my driveway to my car . . .
One of the problems with "never . . . "
One of the problems with "never . . . "
In my state you can't use deadly force to defend property. And I wouldn't want to anyway.
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Announced today will not be charged.
A few years ago local boy got a position teaching in a University down South. He was a very meek type. He leased a apartment in a upscale apartment complex. His mother was going down with him to get the new apartment in shape and help him pick out fiurniture. They were taking stuff from the car to apartment when held up by a guy with a gun. They complied and handed over wallet & purse. Then for no reason the hood shot and killed him. Left the mother alone. This hood made Most Wanted program and did seven killings the same way before he was caught. He would have girlfriend drive him to a nice area where he would rob and kill his victims. The point is you never know what scum is going to do anymore. To much killing is unnessary and I think is brought of by politics and dope. I can see someone robbing. Right or wrong they have gained from the crime. Killing complete strangers for no reason is vandalism. I don't care what their excuse is. Nothing is gained by killing people. I'm not against killing as long as the right people get killed.
The return of Death sentence might have effect on murder rates. The return of prison sentences with hard labor attacked would save a lot of lives. A Perps first day cutting weeds and digging road ditches will make him reconsider his trade.
The return of Death sentence might have effect on murder rates. The return of prison sentences with hard labor attacked would save a lot of lives. A Perps first day cutting weeds and digging road ditches will make him reconsider his trade.
Excellent news!
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My interweb searching skills failed me. Where can I find that info?
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I was spelling 7 Eleven wrong.
Police: Customer who shot, killed Virginia Beach robbery suspect will not face charges | WTKR.com
Police: Customer who shot, killed Virginia Beach robbery suspect will not face charges | WTKR.com
Even without the pursuit into the street, the guy might have been on thin ice legally in drawing and firing. Could be seen as an escalation from non-deadly force (the fist fight) to deadly force; doesn't help that in your telling the (ultimately) dead guy was first fired upon as he turned and ran away.
It's always interesting to read the range of opinions in threads like this. The original story did lack details, evidently it seems the grand jury learned enough to decide on no charges. Personally, I try to avoid convenience stores and gas stations after dark, never mind during the wee hours, regardless what I'm packing. Best to know the laws in your home state regarding concealed carry, not to mention having your lawyer's phone number in your wallet, tucked right behind your CPL.
flagman1776
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My best recollection is that the assailant was believed to not have been hit by the initial shot. I don't know if the fired slug was recovered. The testimony was that the action was very fast... the assailant may have been facing him when the first shot was fired but struck him in the back as he was turning (to run). If the first shot struck him, it might have been arguable had he not followed him into the street.
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All true and I didn't intend to challenge your recollection or otherwise bag on your post in any way.
I'm just pointing out for the discussion that in some jurisdictions and under some prosecutors, applying deadly force to a non-deadly force assault can be enough to prosecute.
It's sort of annoyingly subjective - as self-defense, even involving deadly force, might be appropriate in where in fear of death or great bodily harm. On the other hand, bringing deadly force to a non-deadly force engagement might be seen as an escalation taking it outside of relevant self-defense law.
I liken it to the use of a stun gun, taser, or similar "non deadly" weapons. Use a stun gun in self-defense, and you will likely not be treated as if you had escalated a non-deadly force situation to deadly force. Use a stun gun to attack someone, and you have a very good chance of being charged with assault / battery with a deadly weapon. "Great bodily harm" has been defined in very elastic terms -- typically very elastic where the defendant is convicted of a crime and the task is to judge whether a "great bodily harm" enhancement is appropriate in sentencing or in the initial charging decision (in CA, serious bruising; a few stitches; etc. has been upheld as GBH); but where a prosecutor wants to prosecute someone using a gun in a fist-fight, even legitimate, professed fear of that nature of GBH is unlikely to carry the day.
wetdog1911
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He's going to need it when one or both mama's sue him as soon as the right shyster comes along.
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Triggernosis
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Apparently you have never had a wife or child with a fever or menstrual cramps in the middle of the night and your medicine cabinet is empty when they went to reach for something to make them feel better.
Triggernosis
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The only reason for a civilian to shoot and kill someone is if he/she believes their life is in danger or their family's life is in danger. If I were in a convenience store and it was being robbed, it's very well likely I may fear for my life. I will NOT give them the chance to kill me first- I'll take care of things the best I can and worry about the consequences later.
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IMHO your feelings don't take into account that everyone knows that every stop-n-rob has video surveillance. My feelings therefore are:
- A robber without a mask is probably planning on "only" robbing the place (because the cost of being identified is low.)
- A robber with a mask is definitely planning something more than "just" a robbery (because the cost of being identified is not as low.)
- I agree with you on a jittery robber being bad news.
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