Dealing with a CC from a LEO view

Thanks, some good info here, both for cops and ccw carriers.

One of the bad things about open carry is that YOU are target #1 for a bad guy. Got to remember that it's his call as to when he's going to be bad.

Do you have any proof to back up this assertion? Seems lack a rather large leap. The number of times openly armed citizens have been directly targeted by a "bad guy" is statistically insignificant. Frankly, armed citizens are the LAST people that "bad guys" want to take a chance with.
 
Overall, I found the article to be written in a pretty level-headed manner.

As to the subject of "informing", we've had several incidents take place here in Missouri that would certainly make a person think twice. There have been several cases of loaded firearms being handled on the side of the road by police officers in a very unsafe manner while they attempted to clear them and (ironically) "make them safe". They, quite simply, didn't know how to operate those particular guns. There have also been instances where officers illegally seized firearms and illegally ran serial numbers, as well as instances where they illegally seized them and made the owner jump through hoops to prove ownership before they returned the property they illegally confiscated. On the positive side, we have a pretty strong RKBA organization here and we're pretty good about acting swiftly and decisively when this kind of stuff happens. The offending departments are no longer illegally running serial numbers or confiscating firearms as a matter of policy, to my knowledge.

My personal policy is to judge each situation on it's own merit. I don't believe it's prudent to arbitrarily inform in every situation. Likewise, there are times when informing the officer could be the prudent thing to do.

In any stop where, in my judgment, I don't believe I will be asked to step out of the vehicle, I don't really see much sense in injecting a firearm into the issue and (perhaps) providing the officer with an opening to feed his ego (if he has one) and "assert his authority" over me, the "lowly" citizen. On the other hand, if I believe the stop is going to involve removal from the vehicle and possibly a pat down, I will likely inform in advance of that action to (hopefully) avoid having some cop point his Glock at me on the side of the road when he "discovers" the gun that, in his view, I was "hiding".

While the vast majority of Police Officer's I know, have met, and have dealt with over the years are good, honest, and professional people, not all of them are. Like any other group of people, there are some losers that, despite the correct legal process for handling a situation, will make it up as they go and follow their own, made-up process for handling a stop. Fighting with one of these clowns on the side of the road, no matter how wrong he/she is, is the wrong thing to do. A little common sense goes a long way when faced with a traffic stop while you are armed.
 
Good article...thanks for sharing.......I'm not surprised some find holes in what he's saying...but it's good common sense info.
 
Here's a question I don't understand.

On a previous thread on this forum, a poster asked the LEO if they had ever caught a "bad guy" who had a holster. With nearly unanimous agreement, every single LEO responding said "no". I believe only one or two had ever encountered a BG who had a holster. Many of the replies said they had worked LE for 20-30 years or so. That adds up to only a couple of BGs with holsters in literally a couple of centuries of LEO direct experience.

This seems to imply strongly that, statistically, if you are a LEO and encounter a person with a holstered weapon, the odds are very nearly 100% that the person is not a criminal. So, why treat CCW and OC people suspiciously? If the statistical odds clearly show that they are almost certainly a "good guy", why treat them poorly?

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The last time I was stopped I was carrying and after handing him my License and Carry Permit the officer asked “are you carrying” and when I said yes he asked “do you mind if I ask ware” and I explained it to him.
After writing me a ticket he said in all his years of patrolling I was the first ever to admit I was armed, he said he had stopped many permit holders but no one has ever actually been armed or admitted it anyway.
If they ask why you carry, say it’s because you cant carry them.
 
"After writing me a ticket he said in all his years of patrolling I was the first ever to admit I was armed, he said he had stopped many permit holders but no one has ever actually been armed or admitted it anyway."

Damn after that you would think he would just warn and admonish you.
 
"After writing me a ticket he said in all his years of patrolling I was the first ever to admit I was armed, he said he had stopped many permit holders but no one has ever actually been armed or admitted it anyway."

Damn after that you would think he would just warn and admonish you.

I saw a cop say once (years ago, can't recall where) that if he ever had a person he stopped for speeding just say "yes officer, I was driving 45 in this area that is marked for 30" that he'd probably just let them go with a warning for being the first person to ever admit the truth right up front.
 
Do you have any proof to back up this assertion? Seems lack a rather large leap. The number of times openly armed citizens have been directly targeted by a "bad guy" is statistically insignificant. Frankly, armed citizens are the LAST people that "bad guys" want to take a chance with.

I can tell you that in 15 years of open carry, not one so-called "bad guy" has yet asked to be shot.
 
I can tell you that in 15 years of open carry, not one so-called "bad guy" has yet asked to be shot.

Yep. The entire premise is just internet myth and nonsense. Out of the thousands of people who open carry each and every day across this country, I only know of one incident in which one of these people was actually targeted by a "bad guy".

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I can think of several valid reasons why a person might choose to carry concealed rather than open, but being "the first one the criminal will target" isn't one of them.
 
What do you do when you open carry, get into a car accident and the really pissed off operator of the other car tells the responding cops that you pulled a gun on them?
 
What do you do when you open carry, get into a car accident and the really pissed off operator of the other car tells the responding cops that you pulled a gun on them?

Actually I was involved in a car accident recently. My vehicle was side swiped when someone got into a hurry merging, I followed the offending car for some length and the driver finally pulled over. I had already called 911 when my car was first hit and I noticed the other driver seemed to be acting in a violent way, shaking his fists at me & raising his voice so as a result I did not get out of my vehicle until after the officer had ticketed the other driver. It took about 15-20 minutes for a cop to arrive & I had previously explained to the 911 operator that being armed, I was just gonna stay in my car until the other driver had been dealt with...as I was not looking to begin a bloodbath over a relatively minor traffic accident.
However, since I did have two concealed guns on me along with the open carry gun I would say that confronting the other pissed-off driver could have been a bad idea either way. I also have a safe under the seat of all my vehicles so I can decide to lock up my guns if I feel I need to.
I very strongly believe in Our Constitutional Rights and I understand that Open Carry is not for everyone, I will not ridicule your manner of carry, as there is more than enough finger pointing in the firearms industry right now.
 
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Good for you bill! Smart man! I believe all law abiding citizens in this country should be allowed to carry firearms but concealed carry, just my opinion. When I was a cop, my gun never showed I never had PD shirts hanging in my windows going to work. Why alert the bad guys?
 
Good for you bill! Smart man! I believe all law abiding citizens in this country should be allowed to carry firearms but concealed carry, just my opinion. When I was a cop, my gun never showed I never had PD shirts hanging in my windows going to work. Why alert the bad guys?


As for "alerting the bad guys" I must contend that after the last bit of violence I was involved in (1990 beating & theft) my aim on Open Carry is purely to advertise. Yes, I wanted the next "bad guy" who was seeking a target, to understand the stakes This Time. Although had I been armed on my last beating I would have happily shot all 5 men in their backs as they casually walked away with the contents of my wallet, Next Time it happens I want the perp to fully understand what he is buying into. However I suppose if I lived in a gang area that pre-warning those punks would be looking for trouble, perhaps Charles Bronson style, heh heh.
 
What do you do when you open carry, get into a car accident and the really pissed off operator of the other car tells the responding cops that you pulled a gun on them?

One need not be openly carrying to have that happen. But I digress, do you know of a situation where that has happened?
 
We don't have open carry in NYC, but I was a PBA delegate and did deal with that situation a few times, involving off duty Cops.
 
We don't have open carry in NYC, but I was a PBA delegate and did deal with that situation a few times, involving off duty Cops.

I know of a case here in Missouri where a person driving down the highway was accused of brandishing a gun from a vehicle when in reality, they didn't even have one in the car. I guess the other driver that cut them off noticed the NRA sticker on the bumper, and just assumed that they were armed.

Just goes to show that something like that could happen whether you are openly carrying or not.
 
Ya, people can be evil. It would think it would have turned out worse if he actually had a gun, even though he never brandished.
 
Ya, people can be evil. It would think it would have turned out worse if he actually had a gun, even though he never brandished.

It could have certainly turned into a situation where it was one person's word against the other, I suppose.
 
Very interesting article. Like I tell everyone " treat me with respect and I'll do the same back no matter who you are. Treat me badly then expect the same back no matter who you are ". I try to go out of my way to be nice but hey everyone has their bad days.
 
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