deer load for Model 57

[daverich4]

I found some W296 at my local fun store, and mag pistol primers. Thanks for all the good advice.

You might want to double check loading manuals as well. The above post that says it's ok to load 21.7 grains H110/W296 under a 210 Sierra is .7 grains OVER Sierras published Max load. It may very well be safe in the posters guns but I wouldn't normally start out over the manufacturers Max.

 

[BruceM]

H110/W296 under a 210 Sierra is .7 grains OVER Sierras published Max load. It may very well be safe in the posters guns but I wouldn't normally start out over the manufacturers Max.

This poster obviously isn't very familiar with H110/W296. Regardless of what an individual loading manual might say, I have NEVER found it possible to stuff enough of this propellant into a .41 or .44 Magnum case and still be able to seat and crimp a bullet properly with the resultant load being dangerous. I do not recommend this practice but in another life I used to go thru 8 lb. caddies of H110 with regularity. I believe I still have some of the old 1 lb. containers which call out the powder as surplus. Later, the propellant was noted as being "reformulated".

Incidentally, Hodgdon's data for the 210 grain Hornady XTP bullet is 22.0 grains maximum. Finally, in my experience the Sierra manual is the last one I would quote as the definitive word on load data.

Bruce

 

[daverich4]

This poster obviously isn't very familiar with H110/W296. Regardless of what an individual loading manual might say, I have NEVER found it possible to stuff enough of this propellant into a .41 or .44 Magnum case and still be able to seat and crimp a bullet properly with the resultant load being dangerous.
Bruce

You don't know me. You have no idea what my experience is. I was merely suggesting to the OP that if he is not familiar with those particular components in HIS firearms that he not use as a STARTING load, one that is so far over the manufacturers MAX load. Of course, if he wants to follow your suggestion to stuff as much H110 into a case as he can get and see what happens, that's fine too.

 

[BruceM]

Of course, if he wants to follow your suggestion to stuff as much H110 into a case as he can get and see what happens, that's fine too.

I only know what you wrote and it's in error. I also know that reading for you seems to be a secondary skill as I never recommended the practice of completely filling the case with H110/W296. I merely stated that it could be done without creating a load which might burst or bulge a cylinder. Further, I specifically stated:

I do not recommend this practice

H110/W296 requires a minimum (starting charge) load density of at least 90% to even burn properly so the jump from a starting load to 100% load density is not a great one. With this propellant anyway, Handloading Rule #1-start low and work up loses quite a bit of context. Somebody very familiar with this particular propellant know this. Then there are those who spout conventional "wisdom" as coming from a burning bush engraved on two granite tablets.

one that is so far over the manufacturers MAX load.

Which manufacturer is that. I just quoted the powder manufacturer's data taken from his current website. For those readers of this thread who are in favor of getting the latest and newest manuals for "up to date" load data, the latest Sierra manual (which daveric4 quotes) was published in 2003 I do believe. Of all the load data I've ever tried, a .44 magnum load in a Sierra handgun manual was the only one I could not build. It used W296, a 180 grain JHC, Winchester case and Winchester LPP. When I assembled all of the exact same components, drop the charge specified by Sierra into the case and tried to seat the bullet; the bullet could not be seated into the case and crimped. One of the things I learned is that neither W296 nor H110 will compress much if at all. This was a maximum load and at that time Winchester recommended that maximum charges of W296 be used as listed without reduction. Anyway, so much for Sierra's data being gospel.

Bruce