Definition of "Unfired"

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Just picking the massive craniums here, what is your definition of "unfired" condition? I know to look for certain aspects of a used revolver, such as cutting on the top strap above the forcing cone. All opinions are welcome! Thanks!!
 
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Unfired means "no turn mark, original finish". Anything less, you just don't know.
 
If you want me to pay for unfired condition, I'm only satisfied a Smith revolver is unfired (except at the factory) if I can see the powder residue on every other chamber indicating the three rounds fired at the factory.

If everything else checks out, it's unfired.

Everything else isn't unfired. May be its in beautiful condition, but it isn't unfired.
 
While we're at it... can you geniuses define virgin to me? I'm thinking there are a lot of young girls who would like the way you twist things. Its a simple thing, unfired means never fired, ever. If you want to twist it to include after it leaves the factory, put that disclaimer in.

I don't agree with the 3 shots rule, just like the young pregnant girls mother won't. If a problem seems to be found, the gun will be sent back for "repairs" or refitting until the inspector is happy. With some brands, like Sig Neuhausen, the gun will be worked until it meets the accuracy standard. Doesn't matter. No one calls them unfired.
 
The 686 3" Custom Service (left side 3rd from bottom) is truly unfired. Salesman's sample prototype. There is a turn line and a bit shopworn but absolutely no flame cutting. The Centennials are all special serial # too. Several years ago I bought the personal collection from S&W le salesman.

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A turn ring doesn't necessarily mean the gun has been fired. A 75-year old revolver can be wiped down occasionally, the hammer pulled back and gently lowered a thousand times over its lifetime but never fired. Result? A turn ring.

And there's no way to differentiate between that and a fired gun. So for practical purchasing purposes, there's no difference.
 
And there's no way to differentiate between that and a fired gun. So for practical purchasing purposes, there's no difference.

There will be a black mark on the frame above the barrel if it's been fired. no amount of cleaning will make that flame cut totally disappear.
 
I can live with the term UN-FIRED meaning AFTER it was obviously test fired at the Factory. AFAIK there are no guns shipped from any Company that are actually unfired - meaning they ALL get tested.

If no rounds were ever shot AFTER shipping I am Ok with calling it unfired. Purists will say there is no such thing as an unfired gun and technically they are correct, but to us collectors, accumulators and enthusiasts ............
 
I can live with the term UN-FIRED meaning AFTER it was obviously test fired at the Factory. AFAIK there are no guns shipped from any Company that are actually unfired - meaning they ALL get tested.

If no rounds were ever shot AFTER shipping I am Ok with calling it unfired. Purists will say there is no such thing as an unfired gun and technically they are correct, but to us collectors, accumulators and enthusiasts ............

The problem of course is that you can't tell the difference between a fire arm that was only test fired at the factory (perhaps more than one test fire session, if it needed work after the first test fire session), and a firearm that was fired a few times after it left the factory. In fact, it could be the case that a revolver fired a few times by the first owner has been fired fewer times than a revolver only test fired at the factory, that had an issue that needed correction.

In short, a claim that a firearm is "unfired" is solely based on:
a) the seller being honest; and
b) the seller actually knowing the entire history of the revolver.

If the condition of an "unfired" and "fired revolver is the same, I'm going to pay exactly the same for them, regardless of what the seller claims or is honest enough not to claim.

There's no such thing as "unfired" and it's pointless to claim otherwise.

It's much like "new" versus "like new in box". It's either "new" or it's not. If it's had a prior owner it's no longer new, and we understand this very well so we call it "like new in the box", rather than claiming it's still "new".
 
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To Me unfired means not fired since it left the Factory.The one shot taken at the Factory doesn't count in My view.
 
Well if the guns was fired "once" as a test at the factory, then it would "once" fired ,not un fired.:D

So the term for a "new" gun should be "factory test fired only"

Kinda like buying "once fired" brass for reloading, who the heck can tell if it was loaded once, twice three times??
 
I prefer to buy...

I prefer to buy slightly used guns. If it's NIB they can sell it like it's new, but if it's got a little turn line, the seller can eat the depreciation because it's obviously not 'unfired'.:D:D:D

I probably couldn't have gotten a 686 had it been NIB. The description said, "This gun doesn't look like it's been fired much." and it didn't, I looked brand new.:)
 
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The 686 3" Custom Service (left side 3rd from bottom) is truly unfired. Salesman's sample prototype. There is a turn line and a bit shopworn but absolutely no flame cutting. The Centennials are all special serial # too. Several years ago I bought the personal collection from S&W le salesman.

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A fine group of revolvers you have, I wish I had them lol.
 
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