Digital lock safe & EMP

[roundgunner]

Thanks for the replies, I feel EMP is a very real threat from idiots like Iran, NK, etc...
All they need to do is put it on a freighter with a scud and shoot it straight up. Thousands would perish and they know it.

 

[Arik]

Nowhere near that simple

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[Rastoff]

Thanks for the replies, I feel EMP is a very real threat from idiots like Iran, NK, etc...

Even if it were a real threat from these guys, it's the destructive force that comes with the nuke that's the real issue. And their target isn't rural CT.

In short, you have little to worry about.

 

[NYlakesider]

We all know that a nuke detonation is something you do not want to be around, but just how close would you have to be to get your electronic type stuff scrambled.

I'm referring to something like one rouge missile or a smudged in bomb from a terrorist group. Obviously a all out war attack there would be dozens if not hundreds of bombs going off.

Is there a number, like lets say if your 75 miles away from detention point will your safe,car or other things still operate?

 

[Rastoff]

Is there a number, like lets say if your 75 miles away from detention point will your safe,car or other things still operate?

It depends on the device. Anything small enough to "smuggle" in isn't large enough to reach very far. 75 miles should be enough.

 

[Rintimtin]

Hide your guns where you hide your backup key problem solved

 

[roundgunner]

The force of the nuke is what most people think of. I would probably rather have one go off right next to me than live thru a close hit, but the EMP is no joke,

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn6OVLK0MBI[/ame]

I live 20 miles from the submarine base in New London and halfway between Boston & New York. Anywhere along the eastern seaboard would be bad but right here would give max results. We are a prime target.

I wish I had enough money to buy another safe with a key over ride or a dial safe but that is not going to happen.
I did buy a 1987 Ford 6.9 diesel 5 speed dump truck. No electronics at all, if it ever happens I will be the guy hauling all my neighbors stuff. I can barter. I will also be cutting the side off my safe so the truck stays mine.

 

[Faulkner]

No offense, but if there's an EMP that fries your safe, your safe will be the least of your problems. If I thought that was going to happen, I wouldn't use a digital only safe, or live on the grid, or use a bank, etc, etc.

Obviously, you don't know what I keep in my safe . . . it'll be one of the first places I go to.

 

[JayAychOh]

When I bought a new Liberty Presidential a few years ago, I had the locksmith at the shop where I bought it replace the digital keypad with a nice old fashioned combination lock before it ever left the store for delivery.

Besides the risk of an EMP from man-made sources, (make your own determination whether that risk is significant), is anyone familiar with the "Carrington event"? Between August 28 and September 2, 1859 there was a major coronal mass ejection from the sun that resulted in a naturally occurring EMP that melted telegraph lines, and gave operators electric shocks all over Europe and the USA. The effect a similar CME would have on today's fragile printed circuits would be much more severe.

 

[peachhead]

First rule bolt it down GOOD to the floor, preferably also the back wall

Second rule put it in as tight and restrictive of a area as you can, make Halligan tools much harder to use!

Drilling holes in my fire safe kinda makes it not a fire safe anymore, from what I read. Unless you have another way to seal the holes up?
I am more concerned with fire than anything else (not nuclear fire lol).

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[M2A2]

This is a true story. This happened to a guy at work. He couldn't get his electronic safe opened he called the company. He was transferred three or four times to different people until finally he reached the guru. Who opened his save remotely. I made him tell me the story twice to make sure I got it all I was amazed. I guess it's not that big of a deal. After all they're spying through you through your washing machine your television and your smart phone. What's the difference.

 

[NYlakesider]

Drilling holes in my fire safe kinda makes it not a fire safe anymore, from what I read. Unless you have another way to seal the holes up?
I am more concerned with fire than anything else (not nuclear fire lol).

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If I understand you right your worried about a few small holes. Most safes I have seen have a couple holes in the bottom just for securing purposes. I did the holes in the back myself on the ones I installed and added a couple more in the bottom.

If no holes drill a hole just one size larger than the bolt, so tight you have to thread the bolt though the hole. Put a good steel fender washer under the bolt and above the inside of the safe body/fireproofing.. Bolt it down tight. That should not compromise your fire safety. In my case I wanted good fire protection but to be honest theft protection was my #1.

If anything done that way it might be considered water tight at the peneration point.

 

[Tom S.]

Fort Knox has the option of getting either the dial, the key pad, or both. I opted for both. Keypad is quick and easy, but the dial is always there if needed.

In the over all price of the safe, the dual option was outrageously priced either.

 

[star1]

Contrary to what most people think there would be more far reaching consequences to a nuke exploded in the atmosphere than one on the ground . All it would take is a single nuke exploded at anywhere near the right altitude in the approximate middle of the country to affect pretty much the entire country.
A synopsis here: https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Baker-Statement-5-13-EMP.pdf

And Loyds of London study on solar storms: https://www.lloyds.com/~/media/lloy... risk to the north american electric grid.pdf

Either one has the possibility of very real consequences to our power grid

My safe has a backup key but that would be the least of my worries if either of these events take place

Read "One Second After " if you want an eye opener

 

[peachhead]

If I understand you right your worried about a few small holes. Most safes I have seen have a couple holes in the bottom just for securing purposes. I did the holes in the back myself on the ones I installed and added a couple more in the bottom.

If no holes drill a hole just one size larger than the bolt, so tight you have to thread the bolt though the hole. Put a good steel fender washer under the bolt and above the inside of the safe body/fireproofing.. Bolt it down tight. That should not compromise your fire safety. In my case I wanted good fire protection but to be honest theft protection was my #1.

If anything done that way it might be considered water tight at the peneration point.

Read the manual on a fire safe. No fire safe (that i am aware of) comes with mounting holes. Could be though that drilling the holes that small would be ok if the bolts fit tight. Mine are in the basement and those poured concrete walls are hard... thanks I will look into it.

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[5Wire]

Simplex Lock Safes do it for me. Mechanical push buttons user configurable. No lights, keys, batteries.

 

[noshow]

My own 2 cents on EMPs:
On or about Feb 13 2013, two news worthy events occurred
1) The Carnival Cruise Lines ship "Triumph" became disabled at sea. It had lost all power on board both electrical and mechanical. It's location was the southernmost part of the Gulf of Mexico with 3500 passengers on board. It took 4 days to tow the vessel back to port and most passengers became very sick from no sanitation, no running water, no refrigeration and no ability to prepare food. It was a state of the art 900' ship that was totally inoperative.
2) On or about the same date Kim John Un of North Korea announced to the world that NK had successfully detonated a nuclear device in the upper atmosphere. Our mainstream media reported that none of the US monitoring devices had detected such a detonation. They also reported that the disabled ship lost it's power as a result of an engine room fire(no back-up?) At the time, North Korea had only been successful in launching missels from submarines which could have been in international waters as close as 6 miles from the lower Gulf of Mexico.
Coincidence, I think not! Google is your friend, search Triumph, North Korea and 2/13/13

 

[Tom S.]

My own 2 cents on EMPs:
On or about Feb 13 2013, two news worthy events occurred
1) The Carnival Cruise Lines ship "Triumph" became disabled at sea. It had lost all power on board both electrical and mechanical. It's location was the southernmost part of the Gulf of Mexico with 3500 passengers on board. It took 4 days to tow the vessel back to port and most passengers became very sick from no sanitation, no running water, no refrigeration and no ability to prepare food. It was a state of the art 900' ship that was totally inoperative.
2) On or about the same date Kim John Un of North Korea announced to the world that NK had successfully detonated a nuclear device in the upper atmosphere. Our mainstream media reported that none of the US monitoring devices had detected such a detonation. They also reported that the disabled ship lost it's power as a result of an engine room fire(no back-up?) At the time, North Korea had only been successful in launching missels from submarines which could have been in international waters as close as 6 miles from the lower Gulf of Mexico.
Coincidence, I think not! Google is your friend, search Triumph, North Korea and 2/13/13

Good grief, that's a really long stretch of imagination to think that a cruise ship in the Gulf of Mexico would be effected by a blast well over a third of the way around the world. Add to that disbelief that nothing else between said blast and the ship - which would include the entire south and west coast of the US - was affected.

This comes under "false lunar landings" and "flat earth" for credibility. I sincerely hope you made that post in jest!

 

[gdnagle]

See if you will survive or not.
NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

In the end, there is only so much that you do. I think the placement and securing of my safe will take a lot more effort than it is worth, but I am not a professional thief. As far as exchanging nukes, I want to be instantly incinerated in the first blast, living less than half a mile from NASA in Houston may help me get my wish. I have no desire to slowly die of radiation poisoning, watch my friends and family die or shoot it out with post apocalyptic gangs. Of course eating the Spam and rice would be fun.