Disapointed with my M&P

[WilsonFlyer]

I've said this before, but I'll say it again; this is a low end gun. I'm surprised that people expect perfect triggers. What would be reasonable to complain about is reliability, bjt they don't seem to have reliability problems.

Please don't take this personally but in who-body's world? All my M&Ps have cost > $500. I see the prices of other guns, and while some of the steel guns are pricier, it seems to mostly be when you're buying name over function.

I don't know about the rest of the folks here, but I expect a $500-600 gun to run and not have problems, and I don't think that expectation is unreasonable. It's a cartridge in a pipe hit by a hammer. None of them are cheap but they shouldn't cost $1000 either.

For the record, I have 4 or 5 M&Ps and my M&Ps run like a top. I have no complaints, and I certainly don't consider any of mine to be low end guns.

 

[DanielD]

I love my M&P 40c. I'm not real happy with the trigger, sooo I am going with the Apex fix = done deal.

An analogy, this is really off topic. I have a Ford F-250 Super Duty 4 wheel drive diesel P/U truck. I love this truck had it since 2006 new, now has 130,000 miles on it. About 3 years ago right front brake started dragging, I replaced both front calipers = done deal. Last year one of the back brakes started dragging = same fix = back on the road. Yesterday my wife and I took our new pup to dog (people) training class and guess what, right back brake is smoking again. I think it should have lasted longer but it gets fixed, I'm not going to be bad mouthing it nor am I going to sell it. Would I buy another? Yes!!! Whiners are boring, sorry for the tirade.

Dan

 

[Wee Hooker]

I'd argue that these (very) minor issues are no worse that you'll find on any other brand. For instance, I just bought a new "competition ready" G34 and the trigger was worse than a $2 capgun. 2+# over spec and mushier than a baby's diaper. Reset? What reset? Sights, cheap plastic....

Bottom Line: we do your homework and if there are things that don't meet our idea of perfection, be willing to make the mods. In my case the only one of my M&Ps that wears factory sights or stock trigger is my 9pro.

 

[CC83]

I'm flocking to the m&p line. I'm not sure I would really use that word though. I'd say selling my Glocks and Rugers, and buying m&ps.

 

[CatSnipah]

People are flocking to the XD? They are a VERY distant 3rd to Glock and S&W...In reality people are flocking to the M&P line.

Try cleaning the front sight. Rotating the grip removal pin will loosen it up...That is hardly a problem..

Yeah, that one confused me just a bit.

My recent experience - and this is one person talking here - in my travels lately visiting the local gun shops and pawn shops here in the Charleston area (I make my rounds now and then to bargain hunt), I've seen more used Springfield XD series pistols than ever before. At both of the major pawn shops I hit, they far outweigh, in number, any other used items, outside of the antiques and Taurus (there's lots of Taurus junk to be had around here).

I talked to the gun area manager at one of the pawn shops, and he told me it's been "unprecedented" the number of Springfield products that people are "dumping" lately. I use quotes to indicate his specific words.

I pushed him on the use of the word "dumping", and he hesitated a bit, but indicated that some folks are in such a hurry to get rid of them that they are taking relatively-lowball deals. I'm not sure I believe that.

People, he says, want Glocks, 1911s and S&Ws, in that order. Again, that's his experience in his shop, and I'm just passing it along.

 

[Venenoindy]

What the used gun market is right now is little indication what a manufacturer quality is due to what happen with gun industry last year, there has been a ton of brand new gun owners that did panic buying and now that the panic is somewhat gone so of those people are selling (still a very large number just remember record sales). A lot of this owners did not a thing about firearms last year and just buy what was in the case without any research or good advice, what a gun salesman says a lot of times makes no sense as I seen premium grade firearms going for a lot less when they were new even before the crazy times. I had the opportunity to pick up a Knights Armament mod 1 for a great price with 20 rounds through for a great price at a local shop and six months before this same rifle was selling on line for $5000.00, I can only tell you that I took my rifle to the range and put some rounds through and realize why they are so expensive (best rifle I ever had) so price had nothing to do with quality.

 

[walkin' trails]

I may be somewhat of an M&P novice as I've only fired three of them and I own two. Still, I have run some 10k rounds between all three of them. I have not noticed the triggers' lack of positive reset, and actually think that the pull on my 2009 vintage 45 FS and my 2013 9 FS are smoother, lighter, and break more crisply than my Glock Gen IV 26. I will concede it is quite possible that an M&P gets out the door once in a while with a lousy action. It happens with every mfg's products from time to time. It keeps the aftermarket companies in business with Americans liking to tinker and customize and all. A yellowed front sight insert wouldn't be a concern to me because the factory sights come off and get replaced by sights of my personal preference shortly after determining that the gun is going to work. The take down tool in my 9 is pretty tight, but I concluded that it was new and stiff and likely wouldn't come loose while shooting. I can't say that I use it much anyway, as I'll grab an available took off the bench to deactivate the sear when stripping it down to clean. At the same time, S&W is a responsible company with execellent warranty service, so contact them and ask them to make things right. In the meantime, lube, dry fire, and shoot your 45c and see if the trigger doesn't get better.

 

[CatSnipah]

What the used gun market is right now is little indication what a manufacturer quality is due to what happen with gun industry last year, there has been a ton of brand new gun owners that did panic buying and now that the panic is somewhat gone so of those people are selling (still a very large number just remember record sales). A lot of this owners did not a thing about firearms last year and just buy what was in the case without any research or good advice, what a gun salesman says a lot of times makes no sense as I seen premium grade firearms going for a lot less when they were new even before the crazy times. I had the opportunity to pick up a Knights Armament mod 1 for a great price with 20 rounds through for a great price at a local shop and six months before this same rifle was selling on line for $5000.00, I can only tell you that I took my rifle to the range and put some rounds through and realize why they are so expensive (best rifle I ever had) so price had nothing to do with quality.

I understand what you're saying, and can agree to a point.

However, I disagree with this being the sole premise, because the data - at least through my conversations and personal experience - shows that people are disproportionately getting rid of one manufacturer in favor of others.

Did some panic buy that particular manufacturer? Likely. But if they ended up being happy with the quality and performance, then why get rid of it for a different specific manufacturer?

Sure, some can likely only afford to buy one with the sale of another, but again, the data shows that a significant number of folks, at least in my area, are getting rid of one (or two, Taurus included) manufacturers in favor of others.

Also, please note that the sharing of my story was to rebut the premise that people are "flocking" to the Springfields right now.

Clearly, that is not a universally-true statement, thus my post.

I've personally tested various Springfield models, and outside of the 1911 series, am not a fan. Doesn't mean they aren't good firearms, just not for me - and apparently, others in my region feel the same way. I much prefer Sig, S&W, Glock. But, again, that's just me.

 

[Sharks06lly]

if you want to flock go ahead and flock. no one is gonna stop you and no one is gonna give you a reason thats gonna change your mind. you want to know why they havent changed the trigger? its cause there is nothing wrong with it. maybe its just my m&p but ill be damn if it don't go boom every time i pull the trigger, mine must be a rare one.............

everyone has their own style of liking triggers so if yours isnt the stock m&p then there are plenty of aftermarket kits that will fix that right up and make it feel however you want. they may not have a positive reset but i can damn sure short stroke my trigger as easy and my best friends glock, his hk, his xdm, and his 1911 but i still prefer mine. the grittyness goes away or you can polish it and make it go away yourself.

i swear people just come on forums to bitch and complain

 

[jimjc]

I recently bought an M&P 45 compact. I am disappointed with the non existent trigger reset sound or feel. I am disappointed with the yellowed front sight which should be white like the rear sight. I am disappointed that I had to "work at" removing the grip "pin" to change the palm size. I am not new to the M&P line up as I have a 9 and 40 full size which I purchased when they were first on the scene and since have put apex parts in them. I am disappointed that S&W has done nothing to address these issues which I had with my first M&P's years ago. No wonder people are flocking to the XDs and such which have excellent fiber sights stock and excellent trigger reset. This be my last M&P.

Why don`t you raise the money so you can make your own guns to your liking since you know exactly what all the people want...Millions of 1911 owners would pay and still do good money to buy the gun fully knowing they were going to spend more money to get the gun to where THEY want.

The XDS costs generally $100+ over the M&P..So just make the ugrades you want and quit crying about it because no one gives a rats -ss whether you upgrade your gun or use it for a tool to dig holes...

PS..The gun companys don`t care what you think either

 

[littleriver1]

When I was in my early 20's someone told me the difference between a good haircut and a bad haircut is 3 days. What he really meant was, that is how long it will take you to stop crying about it. At the time I really didn't know I was crying about a haircut. I remember crying about Turbo Tax, until I learned how to use it. I say shoot the gun and enjoy it. The Libs aren't going anywhere. They've been here since Cain killed Abel. Levity implied.

 

[fdw]

I recently bought an M&P 45 compact. I am disappointed with the non existent trigger reset sound or feel. I am disappointed with the yellowed front sight which should be white like the rear sight. I am disappointed that I had to "work at" removing the grip "pin" to change the palm size. I am not new to the M&P line up as I have a 9 and 40 full size which I purchased when they were first on the scene and since have put apex parts in them. I am disappointed that S&W has done nothing to address these issues which I had with my first M&P's years ago. No wonder people are flocking to the XDs and such which have excellent fiber sights stock and excellent trigger reset. This be my last M&P.

I just re-read this and wanted to reply. I've had my M&P for over a year and 0 problems (oh yeah, it did jam once on first day out, so if you want to count that as a problem...). Thousands of rounds...

Now, on a couple of your points, reset? Sorry but I don't get it, I'm not a competitive shooter, are you? I can feel the reset, but it has nothing to do with how I shoot...(I did put an APEX kit in and love it.)

Yellow front sight? Wouldn't have bothered me seeing how I put a big dot on but even if I didn't wouldn't have bothered me.

Now biggest nit pick of all, grip pin?? How many times do you change your grip?? I still have to wrap a rag around it to get mine out to keep from hurting my fingers but hey, I'd rather it be tight than loose.

I'm trying to be sympathetic but after owning a 9 and 40 you are willing to give up on the line because of above problems?

Sorry, I just don't get it...

 

[shawn mccarver]

I recently bought an M&P 45 compact. I am disappointed with the non existent trigger reset sound or feel. I am disappointed with the yellowed front sight which should be white like the rear sight. I am disappointed that I had to "work at" removing the grip "pin" to change the palm size. I am not new to the M&P line up as I have a 9 and 40 full size which I purchased when they were first on the scene and since have put apex parts in them. I am disappointed that S&W has done nothing to address these issues which I had with my first M&P's years ago. No wonder people are flocking to the XDs and such which have excellent fiber sights stock and excellent trigger reset. This be my last M&P.

First, the supposed lack of re-set is a non-issue. Shooting to re-set is, according to Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers, the worst "training scar" of the auto pistol era. In addition, you knew what the M&P trigger was like, having had two already.

The grip pins have been tight since day one, and the yellowed dot in the front sight can be corrected with a dab of white out, or you can send it to S&W for warranty repair.

Why did you buy again, after having had "issues" with your previous two M&Ps.

This type of post makes me think the no-bashing, whining or crying policy about new style revolvers with the internal locks, the MIM parts and the two-piece barrels should be extended across the board to posts like this.

I am sorry, but I am not too sympathetic. If your pistol were malfunctioning or not reliable, that is one thing, but to buy and then complain after the fact about known features of the M&P is just "bad form."

Sorry.

 

[Rastoff]

Please don't take this personally but in who-body's world? All my M&Ps have cost > $500. I see the prices of other guns, and while some of the steel guns are pricier, it seems to mostly be when you're buying name over function.

It's a reasonable question. In the realm of handguns, the M&P is certainly one of the least expensive. Yes, there are less expensive guns, but most of those are really cheap and not well made. The M&P is well made, but not high end. Therefore, it's unreasonable to expect a top notch trigger in an M&P.

I don't know about the rest of the folks here, but I expect a $500-600 gun to run and not have problems, and I don't think that expectation is unreasonable.

It's not unreasonable to expect any gun, regardless of price, to work reliably. If you'll look back at what I wrote you'll see that I said that before.

It's a cartridge in a pipe hit by a hammer. None of them are cheap but they shouldn't cost $1000 either.

The M&P doesn't have a hammer. What is your manufacturing experience that tells you a product should or shouldn't cost a certain price? Or, more to the point, why is a $1,000 gun overpriced? Are you saying that a Springfield 1911 isn't worth $1,000? That an Ed Brown isn't worth $2,400? Why?

For the record, I have 4 or 5 M&Ps and my M&Ps run like a top. I have no complaints, and I certainly don't consider any of mine to be low end guns.

Maybe you're thinking of the term "low end" differently than I am. When I said low end I was only talking about price, not quality. I don't think the M&P is cheap or poorly made, but it certainly is at the lower end of the handgun price spectrum. What gun is less? As you consider that I'm sure you'll see that most of those that cost less are not nearly the quality the M&P is.

The thing is, S&W is trying to make a quality gun as inexpensively as they can. As such the M&P is not perfect in some areas. There are casting marks on the frame, the trigger isn't great and the sights could be better. All these things are not show stoppers for me because of the low price of the gun.

 

[turbo38gn]

Hahahaha........ Unbelieveable!! OK, all this talk about this 45c pushed me to go pick up my 45c on layaway this morning, much sooner than I could afford to. But I just had to get it in my hand to feel as though my comments here would hold more water. First thing, I walk in and notice Mike has another 45c in the showcase! I mention that's unusual..... he tells me, that's my 45c, he exchanged it with the one he put to the side for me because of the yellow dot I pointed out to him last week.... I laugh and tell him to pull it out of the case, I'll take the yellow dot as it really means nothing to me... Ok, so I do all the paperwork and back to work I go... I just brought it in, sitting here, I check out the trigger closer... for a Ma. trigger, it is nice, I mean very nice, smooth, clean and really, really nice. I play with the reset... still just don't get the issue with it.. check out the grip rod... yep, it's tight... great, that's the way I want it since I will probably never have to take it out again...

Now to my yellow sight.... hahahaha, now that's where this really had me laughing so hard I had to wipe the tears from my eyes!!! I'm looking at the dots, thinking how could they end up with one yellow and one white on the rear sight.... I mean like where does the yellow paint come from during this process. I'm thinking maybe I'll find a q-tip or something and just put a little brakleener or something on it and see what happens...
Well, I just finished lunch, had some great left over ribs I cooked in the smoker yesterday... I look on my desk and there sits the toothpick I just spent 20 minutes using to clean up the scraps between my teeth... So I pick it up, notice the tip to the pick is kind of frayed.. I poke it in the yellow dot, swirl it around and look at the dot and it's WHITE!!!!!!
Hahahaha.... I can't believe it, I'm still chuckling... I have to call Mike up and tell him...

 

[DanTana]

I think trigger reset is overrated. How many times would you consciously think to feel the reset? I used to shoot competition, and I don't think I could count how many rounds I've shot. Over 250 a weekend practice, about 550 a weekend during a tournament and not once do I even recall feeling or hearing a trigger reset. All I remember is that when I pulled the trigger the gun went boom. Only one time did it not and that is when the firing pin broke. I really don't understand why people make an issue out of trigger reset, in a panic situation are you really going to tell me, your going to even realize it reset? When I shot International Trap/Skeet, American Trap Doubles, I never once paid attention to trigger reset. I'm sorry, I just don't get it?

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Rastoff:

I was speaking metaphorically as in a primer hit by a punch. That's all.

I don't know anything about manufacturing guns. I just know that many are over-priced, especially given today's insane environment.

I'm very happy with my M&Ps for what I paid for them. That was really my only point.

 

[DurdyBert45]

Look I own the (one) pistol with the best trigger and for the best price available (sarcasm). Variety is the spice of life and the answer to all the complaints of any one manufacturer. They're all reliable and each has something perhaps a little annoying about them but I've learned to love them all and I don't complain.

 

[Eshooter]

Honestly my Ruger SR9c has a better trigger than my S&W M&P.45 & costs a $100 less. But my M&P shoots .45's so there's a give & take on everything. I have a problem of releasing the trigger after a pull. I've just got into shooting about a year ago & have bought an assortment of of pistol's, trying to find accuracy. There's a lot to shooting a pistol accurately that I didn't consider when purchasing like the different triggers & striker fire or hammer fire, ect. I've also noticed longer trigger resets on different pistols as I went to squeeze & no bang. Only to let off the trigger fully & then resume. It makes me flinch but it's not the triggers fault it's all me. Mechanics of shooting for me is not a natural thing. When I bought my first pistol about a year ago; a Ruger GP-100, I was fairly accurate with it considering I hadn't shot anything in over 20 years. Was able to hit the 9 ring @ 25ft no problem. This was firing single action of course, double action would drift far right. My next purchase was an LCP & needless to say it was a whole other animal. DA only, no sight having, & tiny to boot; I couldn't hit the side of a barn even @ 5 ft. I traded it for a Sig p290 which had an array of problems but I think it's good now. Recently got a shield in .40 cal & a full sized M&P .45. Couldn't be happier with both purchases! My Ruger auto's had break in issues like fte's & ftf's, but have run great since. My M&P's have yet to experience any of those symptoms! Every once in a while I'll squeeze & no bang, but I've got to work on releasing the trigger all the way! Still working on squeezing the trigger as well as I tend to shoot a little low. I'd like to cry or moan about long trigger resets but from what I understand (as I'm still learning) releasing that trigger is just as important as squeezing.


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[Jigo23]

Hey y'all! Long time reader, first time poster but just wanted to add my $.02. I was always an XD guy til I got my first M&P .45 full size. No I wasn't thrilled with the trigger to say the least but it felt perfect in my hand and I shot very accurately with it and it's been ultra reliable with all ammo types. Then I discovered the Apex trigger kit. Didn't have high expectations but WOW what a difference! It did make me wonder why S&W doesn't just improve the trigger design to begin with but didn't stop me from ordering an M&P .45 Compact for every day carry. I just ordered the Apex kit for it at the same time. For the price you just can't beat the M&Ps despite the crappy out of the box triggers and they are by far my go to pistols for personal defense. Would also like to give a shout out to Talon Grips...outstanding product! Had one of the rubber grip overlays on them which of course made the grip bulkier than I liked so for $15 figured I'd try the rubber Talon grips so ordered one for my .45C. Love them! Just ordered one for my full-size as well.
Happy shooting!
Jim