I do forget sometimes!!! I have two Romanian M1969 trainers that I got for less than $60.00 each.
Shooting the cheap stuff, or any thing else they are accurate. I need to take them out more often.
Guy22
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I do forget sometimes!!! I have two Romanian M1969 trainers that I got for less than $60.00 each.
Shooting the cheap stuff, or any thing else they are accurate. I need to take them out more often.
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The only ammo I shoot is CCI mini mags, 36 HP and 40 Solids.
The issue with the paddles is that sometimes my hits won't flip them. My son's hits, on the other hand, always flip them. That is why I think the longer barrel is giving the bullet greater FPS. In the game, flips counts, hits don't.
I've also shot over 6k rounds through the 15-22, at first strictly CCI blazers, something like 1k in an afternoon, which really fouled the barrel.
I wonder If all the fouling and subsequent cleaning (once the brush got stuck inside, it was so fouled) has worn the barrel or damaged it lowering the accuracy.
The trigger is the stock one. My VTac has a JP trigger which is awesome. Are there any trigger kits that are just dropped in? I am not handy with tools at all!
Thanks
Andrew
The issue with the paddles is that sometimes my hits won't flip them. My son's hits, on the other hand, always flip them. That is why I think the longer barrel is giving the bullet greater FPS. In the game, flips counts, hits don't.
I've also shot over 6k rounds through the 15-22, at first strictly CCI blazers, something like 1k in an afternoon, which really fouled the barrel.
I wonder If all the fouling and subsequent cleaning (once the brush got stuck inside, it was so fouled) has worn the barrel or damaged it lowering the accuracy.
The trigger is the stock one. My VTac has a JP trigger which is awesome. Are there any trigger kits that are just dropped in? I am not handy with tools at all!
Thanks
Andrew
stickbug1
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Andrew,
Any small pin AR drop in trigger will work. There are dozens to choose from. Sky is the limit on price, but changing them out is pretty straight forward. Break open the rifle, push out the trigger pins and done.
Any small pin AR drop in trigger will work. There are dozens to choose from. Sky is the limit on price, but changing them out is pretty straight forward. Break open the rifle, push out the trigger pins and done.
one eye joe
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CPTBeaker
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I put this trigger in my 15-22 and am very happy with it. 3 1/2 -4lb pull, easy to install, modular, etc...
It's pricey just like all of the drop in triggers, but this is one of my few hobbies and relatively easy for me to justify.
The reasons I picked this trigger was the 'drop-in' fit, pull weight, and the trigger shape/size which is almost stock AR. The trigger size shape was important to me because it's what I'm familiar and comfortable with and didn't want to with anything narrower/straighter, etc. with a different feel.
CMC Triggers Tactical Drop-In Trigger Group Curved AR-15 Small Pin .154" Single Stage Matte - MidwayUSA
One thing to be aware of is that the stock AR trigger/hammer pins are held captive by the hammer/trigger springs. The pins are grooved and the spring legs fit in the groove. When you install a modular (i.e. one piece) drop-in like pictured above, the trigger and hammer springs no longer keep the pins captive. My trigger came with two pins. The pins had a cap on one end and a groove on the other end for small retaining clips. This is problematic on a 15-22 since the lower receiver is wider than a standard AR lower. The pins I got with my trigger were not long enough to put the retaining clips on. The pins did fit tight enough that they were not likely to walk out but I wanted a better solution than that.
I ended up getting some JP anti-walk pins which are basically a pin with a treaded hole in each end and two small cap screws. Something to consider if you get a drop-in kit.
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I also had flyers when first attempting to sight in my 15-22 with a 4 power BSA at 50 yards. Blaming the inaccuracies on the scope, I quickly mounted a Burris 3-9 on it from my .270. The only difference was the target was clearer and the flyers were more visible. Then I thought there had to be something going on with the barrel. I did remove he quadrail endcap for initial cleaning after purchase and I noticed it was applying quite a bit of upward pressure on the barrel. I simply removed it, and let me tell you, it was like I was shooting a whole different gun. Insead of leaving it out, I rolled up a sheet of 80 grip sandpaper and reemed out the endcap hole so I just cleared the barrel, all the way around. This way, if the quadrail flexed, it would only be 1/32" or so... I also did some trigger work. It felt like I was pulling a runner sled across a dirt road.
CPTBeaker
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Did this yesterday. 3 rds @ 100yds, Nikon 3X-9X Prostaff scope, bench, sandbag supported, CCI Mini-Mags, no wind, a little luck.
I think this rifle is plenty accurate, even in the hands of an amateur.
I think this rifle is plenty accurate, even in the hands of an amateur.
crracer_712
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Be happy your son is a good shot, encourage that and maybe get him in the sport, something you can help him with.
Ammunition, try lots of brands. Mine really like the Bulk Federal. Just because a bullet is more expensive doesn't mean your gun will like it.
And then practice, practice, pratice.
My son is happy, although when we get done shooting he always says he's a terrible shot. I think he finds a real gun is quite different than his video games. I just tell him to keep practicing, it doesn't happen over night.
1fly2ty
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Jollymon,
Heres something else to consider, since in all the replys no one has mentioned this and its just my opinion! Rimfire actions headspace on the rim of the cartridge, whether its a bolt or a semi auto. I shot a lot of smallbore rifle with an Anshutz rifle while attached to the U.S. Navy shooting team. we sorted our match ammo according to its rim dimension and it eliminated flyers. then Eley ammo came out and at the time it was the ammo all competitors went too. One of the reasons for its accuracy was due to consistent rim thickness, you can still buy rim thickness gauges from sinclair International for like 31.95 and start sorting your ammo and your accuracy will get better! the other item you need to check on that 15-22 is barrel nut torque if this comes loose accuracy goes down hill.
Heres something else to consider, since in all the replys no one has mentioned this and its just my opinion! Rimfire actions headspace on the rim of the cartridge, whether its a bolt or a semi auto. I shot a lot of smallbore rifle with an Anshutz rifle while attached to the U.S. Navy shooting team. we sorted our match ammo according to its rim dimension and it eliminated flyers. then Eley ammo came out and at the time it was the ammo all competitors went too. One of the reasons for its accuracy was due to consistent rim thickness, you can still buy rim thickness gauges from sinclair International for like 31.95 and start sorting your ammo and your accuracy will get better! the other item you need to check on that 15-22 is barrel nut torque if this comes loose accuracy goes down hill.
I consider you the expert. Anshutz makes great .22lr rifles. I understand that most service teams use them now. What kind of matches did you Shoot? 3×20 sporter category or other?
How did the Navy do against the Army, and Marines?
Back in the day shooting 3 position with Winchester 52's and Winchester Match ammo. We used a very accurate high grade scale to weigh every round. Talking .1 of a gain here.
We would take 5 rounds of identical weight and put them in our blocks from heaviest to lightest.
Also would put all our ammo for the next days shoot in our freezer, so all the ammo was the same temp., at the time of shooting.
All we were doing was trying to take out what variables we could, and be consistent with what we had.
Sounds like you were doing the same.
With the M&P I just load CCI mini mags, and have fun!
Guy22
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Guy22
When I first arrivved in San Diego the small arms training unit handed me a model 52 with adjustable tuners in the forend! I went to the first match at the LAR&R Club and one the shooters told me if I expected to do well I would need to get an anshutz or a BSA Martini so I bought 1 of each and never looked back. I shot a lot of the 3200 and 6400 matches and 3 position, at first I sorted the winchester match ammo but as soon as I started buying Eley Tennex I started winning! I have always thought that the Army team and the Marine team are the best and whichever one you choose to be first is more personal preference than anything because there can only be one winner. Sometimnes the Marines are first and sometimes the Army is first. I have my distinguished badge and won 1 of my medals at the nationals at camp perry 1st gold in the NTI. Its funny you mentioned keeping your ammo refrigerated cause I have done that many times and actually bought a styrofoam cooler and ice to keep the ammo coolwhile at a match shooting and yes it does make a difference. Thanks for jumping into this conversation it brought back lots of memories!
When I first arrivved in San Diego the small arms training unit handed me a model 52 with adjustable tuners in the forend! I went to the first match at the LAR&R Club and one the shooters told me if I expected to do well I would need to get an anshutz or a BSA Martini so I bought 1 of each and never looked back. I shot a lot of the 3200 and 6400 matches and 3 position, at first I sorted the winchester match ammo but as soon as I started buying Eley Tennex I started winning! I have always thought that the Army team and the Marine team are the best and whichever one you choose to be first is more personal preference than anything because there can only be one winner. Sometimnes the Marines are first and sometimes the Army is first. I have my distinguished badge and won 1 of my medals at the nationals at camp perry 1st gold in the NTI. Its funny you mentioned keeping your ammo refrigerated cause I have done that many times and actually bought a styrofoam cooler and ice to keep the ammo coolwhile at a match shooting and yes it does make a difference. Thanks for jumping into this conversation it brought back lots of memories!
mrjohns
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Wolf
Try some Wolf Match Target. Made in Germany for over 100 years. Very accurate .22 ammunition.
Try some Wolf Match Target. Made in Germany for over 100 years. Very accurate .22 ammunition.
1fly2ty
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+1 on the Wolf Match Target, I shoot a lot of it in a Kimber 82 in IR 50 matches and it flat out shoots!
Aceman58
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Here's something to ponder: Comparing a bolt action to the M&P 15/22 is really not fare for the M&P. Bolt action rifles are built to be more accurate, the lock up is solid, speed is not part of the design. The M&P is more geared for semi-automatic combat shooting accuracy, in other words 3 to 4 inch spread for a semi-auto is considered pretty accurate, but not for a bolt action. So cut the M&P some slack, it is design as a combat weapon not bullseye...Combat is different for sure, dropping the threat is more important than scoring a 10...
team sidewinder
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I agree with aceman58. There is a army of gophers out there every spring. If I want to sniper them I use my Remington 541S bolt action and the body count is high ( 98% ). If I want to have some fun and give them a fighting chance I take the M&P 15-22 for some fun.
Wyo15-22
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My thoughts exactly!
Bang for the buck Savage rifles are real shooters. They are famous for their accuracy versus price. I don't own a Savage and like many I have built 10/22's, 77/22's. Bottom line not many rifles today mach up to the Savage rifles. Due primarily to their new trigger design, barrel making process, and their price.
copper06
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As someone already mentioned with the number of rounds you've put yours through plus you mentioned barrel fouling and getting a brush stuck at one time I'd definitely look into the torque of your barrel nut and maybe even have a trusted gunsmith give your weapon the once-over. Can't hurt and will give you peace of mind.
The gang mentioned in a round about way the steel gong problem but to put it more simply, since your 15-22 isn't quite the tack driver as your son's rifle, he's hitting it close enough to center each time that it's swinging it to score the wins. Your rifle has a bit of a spread and your self-admitted fliers so even if you're hitting the gong, you're not hitting it dead center to give it the "oomph" it needs to give you the win.
I'd be willing to bet that competition aside if you switch with your son now and then letting him use the 15-22 and you the bolt action, you'll beat him but he'll be begging you to give him the 15-22.
I think some of the guys here are using Red Dots to good effect up to 50 yards also, not sure about 100 though. Very fast acquisition of target and some of them even co-witness with your iron sights. Reason I mention it is by using a red dot vs. a magnified optic you may even the odds a bit as you'll be acquiring the target faster than your son and pinging the gong a few times to his one. Worth a shot anyways especially if you know someone who has a red dot on their firearm that you can try.
First off I'd definitely check into the barrel nut and have your weapon looked at by a gunsmith though. I'm relatively new to the forums myself but a LOT of these guys just love their 15-22's and have never mentioned problems with steel plates and such.
Most importantly, keep having fun with your son!
The gang mentioned in a round about way the steel gong problem but to put it more simply, since your 15-22 isn't quite the tack driver as your son's rifle, he's hitting it close enough to center each time that it's swinging it to score the wins. Your rifle has a bit of a spread and your self-admitted fliers so even if you're hitting the gong, you're not hitting it dead center to give it the "oomph" it needs to give you the win.
I'd be willing to bet that competition aside if you switch with your son now and then letting him use the 15-22 and you the bolt action, you'll beat him but he'll be begging you to give him the 15-22.
I think some of the guys here are using Red Dots to good effect up to 50 yards also, not sure about 100 though. Very fast acquisition of target and some of them even co-witness with your iron sights. Reason I mention it is by using a red dot vs. a magnified optic you may even the odds a bit as you'll be acquiring the target faster than your son and pinging the gong a few times to his one. Worth a shot anyways especially if you know someone who has a red dot on their firearm that you can try.
First off I'd definitely check into the barrel nut and have your weapon looked at by a gunsmith though. I'm relatively new to the forums myself but a LOT of these guys just love their 15-22's and have never mentioned problems with steel plates and such.
Most importantly, keep having fun with your son!
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I took my son to the range today. It was his first time shooting with the optics and grip pod.
The right lower group was his first group. He had parallax issues as he had never tried the scope before. The left lower group was after a little coaching. He got better as he figured it out some.
The middle four groups were mine. The top two and the water mark on the upper right corner were his. The small target groups were shot at 25 yards. The bigger group was shot at 50 yards.
Groups were all 25 shots. Seated, bench rest off the bi-pod.
Due to a lack of time all groups were shot in a 30 minute time frame. The gun did not seam to loosen up as it got hot.
We have just over 1000 rounds through the gun. It has been broken down and completely cleaned every 250 rounds or so.
I have tried CCI Stingers/Winchester Super X-HP/Winchester Super X bulk and the M-22. So far the best groups have been with the M-22.
I feel the groups could be tighter with a lighter trigger set. I'm doing research to figure out what one I will go with.
The equipment used is as follows.
MOE 1522(non perform)
Nikon P-22 scope
Burris PEPR mount
GRG MFG Grip pod
Winchester M-22 ammo
Jay
The right lower group was his first group. He had parallax issues as he had never tried the scope before. The left lower group was after a little coaching. He got better as he figured it out some.
The middle four groups were mine. The top two and the water mark on the upper right corner were his. The small target groups were shot at 25 yards. The bigger group was shot at 50 yards.
Groups were all 25 shots. Seated, bench rest off the bi-pod.
Due to a lack of time all groups were shot in a 30 minute time frame. The gun did not seam to loosen up as it got hot.
We have just over 1000 rounds through the gun. It has been broken down and completely cleaned every 250 rounds or so.
I have tried CCI Stingers/Winchester Super X-HP/Winchester Super X bulk and the M-22. So far the best groups have been with the M-22.
I feel the groups could be tighter with a lighter trigger set. I'm doing research to figure out what one I will go with.
The equipment used is as follows.
MOE 1522(non perform)
Nikon P-22 scope
Burris PEPR mount
GRG MFG Grip pod
Winchester M-22 ammo
Jay
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