Discuss the Bodyguard 2.0 thumb safety

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I have been reading on this forum about the S&W Bodyguard 2.0.
Several comments along the lines of "better get the safety" have caught my attention.

I was an early Glock user and my department offered the New York Trigger. I liked the NY 1 trigger since I was coming from revolvers. Many years later, I don't like a thumb safety and actually try to stay clear of them. These include Glock, S&W M&P, Original .380 Bodyguard, Springfield XDs.

For the Bodyguard 2.0 and no other handgun in this earth, educate me. If you believe the Bodyguard 2.0 needs the safety, why is that? I'd be pleased to hear your experience and opinion. Especially if that opinion is based on experience.
 
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I don't like thumb safeties on striker fired pistols. As long as the trigger guard is covered by the holster and you use care re-holstering I see no need for a thumb safety. Many times when re-holstering my IWB holsters I remove the holster before reinserting the pistol. As I age and have less flexibility I find I have no issues drawing but it is easier to remove the holster insert pistol then place holstered weapon inside my waste band at 3-4 O Clock.


I tend to have less issues re-holstering larger pistols but being an old retired guy is a lot different than working the streets and taking offenders into custody.
 
OK, based on that, the comments I have read make sense.
I was not aware of a light trigger pull. I can see how that might make a difference.

Thank you for posting.
 
Thinking about the 2.0 having a lighter trigger pull.
It makes sense but then how many gun websites are all about making the trigger pull of every gun lighter. But maybe not for pocket carry. One company has a lot of trade in making the Bodyguard .380 trigger shorter and lighter. So I really need to just buy a 2.0 and see for myself!

Do any of you know the trigger pull of a Glock 42 compared to the 2.0?
 
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I own the original BG380 (Non-Safety & Non-Laser) and only carried it out of convenience. The trigger on that thing isn't going to be pulled without intention, as you know.

Just picked up the BG 2.0 and the trigger is pretty light compared to other pocket pistols. It's definitely lighter than the G42 I own, but not terribly so. It's almost like the flat face makes it feel lighter if that makes sense. I plan on getting a nice kydex pocket holster to cover the trigger and also the mag release button. I'd never try and re-holster a pocket pistol while the holster is in pocket so I'm not too worried that.

God forbid, if the time ever comes when I need to draw it, a safety is not something I want to even think about dealing with. I understand folks say it's all about the training, but I've seen enough footage online to know that I do not want to be fiddling with a safety in the heat of the moment.

Obviously, it's all about your comfort level, but I won't carry a pistol with a safety.
 
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This is helpful information. Thank you for posting.
I agree about a good pocket holster. I will be checking on the kydex holsters. My Bodyguard .380 has a good selection available Maybe the Bodyguard 2.0 will be popular enough to get a good selection.
 
I preferred the heavier trigger on the original LCP for pocket carry over the shorter lighter trigger on the newer model. I don't like thumb safeties, but have wondered about the Bodyguard 2.0 trigger for pocket carry.
 
diyj98 said:
I preferred the heavier trigger on the original LCP for pocket carry over the shorter lighter trigger on the newer model.
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Agreed. The trigger on original LCP (second gen) was great. I didn't mind the trigger on the LCP II or Max, but what worried me was that hammer being 90% cocked while in my pocket and without a plunger safety for that firing pin. I just didn't trust that design.

The new BG 2.0 has the firing pin safety and I fully trust it. As long as I don't press that trigger, it won't fire. Just have to keep that trigger protected while in pocket as number one priority.
 
jsimpson4 said:
Agreed. The trigger on original LCP (second gen) was great. I didn't mind the trigger on the LCP II or Max, but what worried me was that hammer being 90% cocked while in my pocket and without a plunger safety for that firing pin. I just didn't trust that design.

The new BG 2.0 has the firing pin safety and I fully trust it. As long as I don't press that trigger, it won't fire. Just have to keep that trigger protected while in pocket as number one priority.
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Another advantage of a thumb safety is that in the event that someone else gets control of the gun, they will not be able to fire it immediately, if at all.
The general public knows nothing of thumb safeties.
 
smoothshooter said:
Another advantage of a thumb safety is that in the event that someone else gets control of the gun, they will not be able to fire it immediately, if at all.
The general public knows nothing of thumb safeties.
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I mean no disrespect, but planning on losing your handgun is in the same class as keeping the chamber empty in case a BG gets it away from you.
If I lose my handgun to an attacker, then I've already lost that fight (and probably my life).
I agree w/the previous poster in that I do not want to be fiddling w/a small safety under stress when fine motor control goes out the window.
 
smoothshooter said:
Another advantage of a thumb safety is that in the event that someone else gets control of the gun, they will not be able to fire it immediately, if at all.
The general public knows nothing of thumb safeties.
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I would suggest getting on a mat with a blue gun and learning how to protect your gun, instead of planning to lose it.
 
I posted a comment on the Bodyguard 380 safety on 6/29.
This post would also apply to the new 2.0.
Go to Bodyguard safety in search to read it. I believe you will find it enlightening whether you agree or not.
Enjoy your new Bodyguard 2.0!
I am an old guy and don't know how to copy my post to this one.
 
Rob613 said:
I would suggest getting on a mat with a blue gun and learning how to protect your gun, instead of planning to lose it.
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I would suggest getting to the range and learning how to draw and shoot instead of planning on grappling with an attacker.


Hopefully the above silliness highlights the silliness of your post.
 
jsimpson4 said:
Agreed. The trigger on original LCP (second gen) was great. I didn't mind the trigger on the LCP II or Max, but what worried me was that hammer being 90% cocked while in my pocket and without a plunger safety for that firing pin. I just didn't trust that design.

The new BG 2.0 has the firing pin safety and I fully trust it. As long as I don't press that trigger, it won't fire. Just have to keep that trigger protected while in pocket as number one priority.
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The firing pin safety is not the issue; it's about a fold of clothing or a careless finger depressing a light trigger when re-holstering, especially when using an IWB or pocket holster.
 
smoothshooter said:
The firing pin safety is not the issue; it's about a fold of clothing or a careless finger depressing a light trigger when re-holstering, especially when using an IWB or pocket holster.
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I can't imagine anyone in their right mind trying to re-holster in a pocket holster without removing it first, but let's face it, a few gun owners are not all there.
 
I picked up my new Bodyguard 2.0 yesterday. Getting aquatinted, I found the manual safety dang near impossible to operate. I had to push with both thumbs to go from safe to free and back. Now I haven't dissembled, cleaned and lubed everything yet and I am use to my 365 with a long safety lever, but does this thing smooth out with use?
Secondly, about the trigger operation. It seems the trigger pull has some mechanical notches in a pull. Is this a bug or feature for those that like to have a pre travel stop as the trigger approaches the break?
Comments appreciated.
 
smoothshooter said:
From the reports I have seen, the 2.0 has an unusually light trigger pull; much lighter than most carry guns that may be used for pocket carry.
Too light, in my opinion without an external safety.
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If you're carrying condition one, probably so for inexperienced folks.
 
BLLefkay said:
If you're carrying condition one, probably so for inexperienced folks.
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I agree, the Bodyguard 2.0 is not a pistol for inexperienced shooters. It's a little snappy and the slide isn't easy to rack. But, it's very thin/light, has a low bore axis, and feels/shoots great. 100% reliable with every bullet weight I've run through it, 85 grain to 99 grain.
 
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Question for those who have disassembled a Bodyguard 2.0

If Wolff or another reputable company made a + power spring, would a simple spring change add a pound or 2 to the trigger?

Instead of a 3.7 (approx) pound trigger, maybe go to a 4.5- 5.5 lb?
 
Tomac said:
I mean no disrespect, but planning on losing your handgun is in the same class as keeping the chamber empty in case a BG gets it away from you.
If I lose my handgun to an attacker, then I've already lost that fight (and probably my life).
I agree w/the previous poster in that I do not want to be fiddling w/a small safety under stress when fine motor control goes out the window.
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I don't "plan" on losing my gun, but surprise assaults can happen to you before you even know there is a threat within arm's reach.
If you drop your gun, or if it is knocked out of your hand, or taken off your belt after being a victim of the "Punch Out Game", you are not dead already if your gun has a thumb safety that the criminal knows nothing about. Could buy you some time to put some distance between you and your attacker.
 
smoothshooter said:
I don't "plan" on losing my gun, but surprise assaults can happen to you before you even know there is a threat within arm's reach.
If you drop your gun, or if it is knocked out of your hand, or taken off your belt after being a victim of the "Punch Out Game", you are not dead already if your gun has a thumb safety that the criminal knows nothing about. Could buy you some time to put some distance between you and your attacker.
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My EDC's are carried concealed. They remain concealed until I perceive a lethal threat to myself or others. If the BG knows I have a handgun, it's only because it's already in my hand and ready to fire so a safety is just one more potential failure point to putting the gun into action. If the BG doesn't know I have a gun, then a safety serves no useful purpose insofar as the BG is concerned.
 
I got to handle but not shoot a BG2 today.
The trigger pull on THAT EXAMPLE was not so light that I would worry about pocket HOLSTER carry without the miniscule safety.
All three of my party liked it. I could see it replacing my Colt Gov't .380 as an IDPA BUG and my Keltec .32 for pockets too small for my G43.
 
I started out with the Springfield XD series guns that had the grip safety. I never had trouble with it, but being a new shooter, it made me feel a bit safer about IWB carrying. Through the years of aging, I found the confidence to carry without any safety with the M&P Shield 1.0. I now carry the Glock 26 and the 19X which have no external safety except the trigger dingus. I like these guns. It is safe to say that I will not be purchasing another pistol with a safety. I do like the Bodyguard 2.0. and may be getting one soon.

Joe
 
I guess I am in the minority. I purchased mine with the thumb safety. My Shield plus also has one .

I have carried various Glocks and other striker fired pistols with out safeties and with the proper holster never felt unsafe.

With inside the waist band and especially pocket carry I like the extra level of safety. In my opinion the BG 2.0 has an excellent safety. It is a little difficult to engage .Which is good. But very easy to swipe off.

I train to swipe it down every draw or every time before firing. It is a personal choice. It is nice they offer it as an option
 
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