Discuss the Bodyguard 2.0 thumb safety

If you’re carrying condition one, probably so for inexperienced folks.

I agree, the Bodyguard 2.0 is not a pistol for inexperienced shooters. It’s a little snappy and the slide isn’t easy to rack. But, it’s very thin/light, has a low bore axis, and feels/shoots great. 100% reliable with every bullet weight I’ve run through it, 85 grain to 99 grain.
 
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Question for those who have disassembled a Bodyguard 2.0

If Wolff or another reputable company made a + power spring, would a simple spring change add a pound or 2 to the trigger?

Instead of a 3.7 (approx) pound trigger, maybe go to a 4.5- 5.5 lb?
 
I mean no disrespect, but planning on losing your handgun is in the same class as keeping the chamber empty in case a BG gets it away from you.
If I lose my handgun to an attacker, then I've already lost that fight (and probably my life).
I agree w/the previous poster in that I do not want to be fiddling w/a small safety under stress when fine motor control goes out the window.

I don’t “plan” on losing my gun, but surprise assaults can happen to you before you even know there is a threat within arm’s reach.
If you drop your gun, or if it is knocked out of your hand, or taken off your belt after being a victim of the “Punch Out Game”, you are not dead already if your gun has a thumb safety that the criminal knows nothing about. Could buy you some time to put some distance between you and your attacker.
 
I don’t “plan” on losing my gun, but surprise assaults can happen to you before you even know there is a threat within arm’s reach.
If you drop your gun, or if it is knocked out of your hand, or taken off your belt after being a victim of the “Punch Out Game”, you are not dead already if your gun has a thumb safety that the criminal knows nothing about. Could buy you some time to put some distance between you and your attacker.

My EDC's are carried concealed. They remain concealed until I perceive a lethal threat to myself or others. If the BG knows I have a handgun, it's only because it's already in my hand and ready to fire so a safety is just one more potential failure point to putting the gun into action. If the BG doesn't know I have a gun, then a safety serves no useful purpose insofar as the BG is concerned.
 
I got to handle but not shoot a BG2 today.
The trigger pull on THAT EXAMPLE was not so light that I would worry about pocket HOLSTER carry without the miniscule safety.
All three of my party liked it. I could see it replacing my Colt Gov't .380 as an IDPA BUG and my Keltec .32 for pockets too small for my G43.
 
I started out with the Springfield XD series guns that had the grip safety. I never had trouble with it, but being a new shooter, it made me feel a bit safer about IWB carrying. Through the years of aging, I found the confidence to carry without any safety with the M&P Shield 1.0. I now carry the Glock 26 and the 19X which have no external safety except the trigger dingus. I like these guns. It is safe to say that I will not be purchasing another pistol with a safety. I do like the Bodyguard 2.0. and may be getting one soon.

Joe
 
I guess I am in the minority. I purchased mine with the thumb safety. My Shield plus also has one .

I have carried various Glocks and other striker fired pistols with out safeties and with the proper holster never felt unsafe.

With inside the waist band and especially pocket carry I like the extra level of safety. In my opinion the BG 2.0 has an excellent safety. It is a little difficult to engage .Which is good. But very easy to swipe off.

I train to swipe it down every draw or every time before firing. It is a personal choice. It is nice they offer it as an option
 
I picked up my new Bodyguard 2.0 yesterday. Getting aquatinted, I found the manual safety dang near impossible to operate. I had to push with both thumbs to go from safe to free and back. Now I haven't dissembled, cleaned and lubed everything yet and I am use to my 365 with a long safety lever, but does this thing smooth out with use?
Secondly, about the trigger operation. It seems the trigger pull has some mechanical notches in a pull. Is this a bug or feature for those that like to have a pre travel stop as the trigger approaches the break?
Comments appreciated.
I have 2 of the original Bodyguards with manual safeties. They had the same problem. Almost impossible to push up or down. I disassembled them and took a dremmel and ground down the curved section just a little until it worked smoothly. I plan on buying one of the new Bodyguards with the thumb safety as well and if it is too tight then I hope it can be fixed in the same way as the 1st gen Bodyguards.
As for safeties, my EDC is. P365 with manual safeties. I carry small of my back heavy cant because I wear a sport coat with dress shirt tucked in. Get in and out of truck all day and have to take gun out put in holster mounted in center console then get out of truck and blind holster gun behind my back. I have no desire to shoot myself in the ***! I don’t have enough to spare! So I train with the manual safety. It is muscle memory now.
 
>>Almost impossible to push up or down.<<

Luckily, mine doesn't seem to have that problem. Yes, it is stiff, but I can easily manipulate it up and down.
 
Thumb safety conversionism

The issue I'd like to talk about in connection to this thread, is why I've seen such rancor and disgust from much of the no-manual-safety crowd aimed at safeties and those that have them for the past twelve or so years? Why can't we just leave people be with their decisions?

Every now and them an article, video, podcast, or forum thread goes into how every single form of manual safety on a non-1911 defensive pistol (strange they stop there), from thumb safeties to grip safeties (but not trigger safeties, again, strange) will get you killed that one time you might (but probably won't ever) need to use it, and is often an indicator of naivety, lack of experience, or tactical sophistication.

Here's what I think after experiencing all different kinds of options... I think there's a group think attached to a sunken cost decision bias and maybe functional fixedness bias. When dealing with a polemic like yes or no to manual safeties, each has to make up their mind with their own applied logic and use cases. For some, once you decide, anyone else's personal logic seems to be an afront to your personal logic and reasons. Like I or WE NEED to know we got the best, and there is no other way in which MY or OUR choice isn't the right or preferrable way. This means that the very fact people live different lives or have differing opinions feels like an active attack against someone with little else to form an identity on.

There are arguments for and against... the arguments against are that they're another failure point if you need that thing to go bang, which is a one in a million chance for most (but not all) Americans. On top of that, what are the chances that it'll fail the one time you need it and not the thousands of times you are practicing with it at the range before to let you know there's a problem? What are the chances those failures aren't reported online through video reviews or forums like this? I've heard about grip safety/roll pin mechanical failures with old XDs, though I've never witnessed any myself. I've never heard of a failure of a thumb safety, which is an exceedingly simple control bar that I would argue possibly makes the trigger linkage stronger and less likely to take damage when not in use, though it most likely does alter the trigger weight and feel a bit negatively for most guns.

The next argument against is the training argument... you better be quick and smooth on the draw, which is kinda like, sure... but you should be like that firing the gun period. I CCW qualified with a manual safety 365 in CO as well as a manual safety Shield 45 in TX, both times from the holster, and one including a moving/approaching target at an indoor range, and I had the highest score in one class and like the third or fourth highest in with the small 45.

Does carrying a thumb safety gun make specific practice and muscle memory more important? yes. I can not draw a gun from a holster while target focused WITHOUT sweeping down with my thumb now. It's part of the draw regardless of the pistol. To me that issue is solved, train the same so that you can operate any pistol from a holster without thinking of it.

But I don't see people arguing that you should train for safeties, I see them saying that safeties on the gun are a bad idea, will get you killed. These are the same people that want you to search the inside of your holster like looking for gold a cave in case something is in there to defeat the trigger "safety" and blow your bits to... ah bits. Sure. That's great training advice, but don't say that an additional check on safety while conducting an inherently dangerous act is bad and you should rely on muscle memory and training instead, then say you can't rely on muscle memory and training to navigate an additional safety feature. What's the most likely statistical firearm danger... you ND because you're an idiot or an idiot makes you put him down in a Ol' West-style draw off because you didn't wait to get the drop on them or wait for your background to clear?

I carried Glocks, M11s, and M9s in the Army in reverse order, the last being striker-fired and the others DA/SA with sometimes tricky slide-mounted safeties the Army made you use. Since, I've carried M&P's, and Walthers, a Glock, Shadow Systems, and Sigs since, all stiker-fired, two without safeties, and M&P's and Sigs with thumb safeties.

I don't hate that Glocks and Walthers, and pretty much every striker gun out there doesn't have manual safeties, but for me, I can't figure out why there's a contingent out there determined to brow beat and shame thumb safeties out of industry adoption... especially with small guns that could find all kinds of weird use case scenarios, like being in office drawers ready to go, or a hiking chest rig, or around a calf or ankle, it makes sense to have a way of securing the trigger if the kydex won't fit the use.

I'll continue to carry what I will, sometimes favoring thumb safeties, as a small contingent of gun owners do because they're still being produced. To me, in many cases, the marginal everyday safety benefits far outrank the astronomically narrow and low defensive use risks. I'll work around the minor trigger debuffs, which to me is the strongest argument against it.

Sorry for the essay. I've been seeing affronts against safeties for over a decade and quietly rolling my eyes ever since. Got the demons out now. Carry well and carry on.
 
The issue I'd like to talk about in connection to this thread, is why I've seen such rancor and disgust from much of the no-manual-safety crowd aimed at safeties and those that have them for the past twelve or so years? Why can't we just leave people be with their decisions?

Every now and them an article, video, podcast, or forum thread goes into how every single form of manual safety on a non-1911 defensive pistol (strange they stop there), from thumb safeties to grip safeties (but not trigger safeties, again, strange) will get you killed that one time you might (but probably won't ever) need to use it, and is often an indicator of naivety, lack of experience, or tactical sophistication.

Here's what I think after experiencing all different kinds of options... I think there's a group think attached to a sunken cost decision bias and maybe functional fixedness bias. When dealing with a polemic like yes or no to manual safeties, each has to make up their mind with their own applied logic and use cases. For some, once you decide, anyone else's personal logic seems to be an afront to your personal logic and reasons. Like I or WE NEED to know we got the best, and there is no other way in which MY or OUR choice isn't the right or preferrable way. This means that the very fact people live different lives or have differing opinions feels like an active attack against someone with little else to form an identity on.

There are arguments for and against... the arguments against are that they're another failure point if you need that thing to go bang, which is a one in a million chance for most (but not all) Americans. On top of that, what are the chances that it'll fail the one time you need it and not the thousands of times you are practicing with it at the range before to let you know there's a problem? What are the chances those failures aren't reported online through video reviews or forums like this? I've heard about grip safety/roll pin mechanical failures with old XDs, though I've never witnessed any myself. I've never heard of a failure of a thumb safety, which is an exceedingly simple control bar that I would argue possibly makes the trigger linkage stronger and less likely to take damage when not in use, though it most likely does alter the trigger weight and feel a bit negatively for most guns.

The next argument against is the training argument... you better be quick and smooth on the draw, which is kinda like, sure... but you should be like that firing the gun period. I CCW qualified with a manual safety 365 in CO as well as a manual safety Shield 45 in TX, both times from the holster, and one including a moving/approaching target at an indoor range, and I had the highest score in one class and like the third or fourth highest in with the small 45.

Does carrying a thumb safety gun make specific practice and muscle memory more important? yes. I can not draw a gun from a holster while target focused WITHOUT sweeping down with my thumb now. It's part of the draw regardless of the pistol. To me that issue is solved, train the same so that you can operate any pistol from a holster without thinking of it.

But I don't see people arguing that you should train for safeties, I see them saying that safeties on the gun are a bad idea, will get you killed. These are the same people that want you to search the inside of your holster like looking for gold a cave in case something is in there to defeat the trigger "safety" and blow your bits to... ah bits. Sure. That's great training advice, but don't say that an additional check on safety while conducting an inherently dangerous act is bad and you should rely on muscle memory and training instead, then say you can't rely on muscle memory and training to navigate an additional safety feature. What's the most likely statistical firearm danger... you ND because you're an idiot or an idiot makes you put him down in a Ol' West-style draw off because you didn't wait to get the drop on them or wait for your background to clear?

I carried Glocks, M11s, and M9s in the Army in reverse order, the last being striker-fired and the others DA/SA with sometimes tricky slide-mounted safeties the Army made you use. Since, I've carried M&P's, and Walthers, a Glock, Shadow Systems, and Sigs since, all stiker-fired, two without safeties, and M&P's and Sigs with thumb safeties.

I don't hate that Glocks and Walthers, and pretty much every striker gun out there doesn't have manual safeties, but for me, I can't figure out why there's a contingent out there determined to brow beat and shame thumb safeties out of industry adoption... especially with small guns that could find all kinds of weird use case scenarios, like being in office drawers ready to go, or a hiking chest rig, or around a calf or ankle, it makes sense to have a way of securing the trigger if the kydex won't fit the use.

I'll continue to carry what I will, sometimes favoring thumb safeties, as a small contingent of gun owners do because they're still being produced. To me, in many cases, the marginal everyday safety benefits far outrank the astronomically narrow and low defensive use risks. I'll work around the minor trigger debuffs, which to me is the strongest argument against it.

Sorry for the essay. I've been seeing affronts against safeties for over a decade and quietly rolling my eyes ever since. Got the demons out now. Carry well and carry on.

This forum is better mannered when it comes to this topic, but the overall sentiment is always there. I put a post up a year or so ago about why a slightly wider thumb safety for the Shield isn’t available since the stock one is so flush, and the first response was “because it isn’t needed” and “safeties will get you killed”. At least nobody went with the cringe worthy “keep your booger hook off the bang switch” and “my safety is between my ears”.

Bottom line, before Glocks came along in the later 80’s(I know they came to the US in the early 80’s, but nobody was carrying them until 1986 or so), the majority of semi auto pistols had safeties. Millions of them had been carried for decades and nobody minded them. There weren’t scores of dead gun owners gunned down as they fumbled for the safety. Then Glock sold the concept of “no safety to fumble with” to a whole new generation, and that generation has since spawned another one who knows nothing else.

As for the training aspect, if a gun owner is so confident that his training means he will NEVER touch the trigger when he didn’t mean to, why can’t he be so confident that he will sweep the safety off? If you can train to keep your finger off the trigger, even is a highly stressful situation, why can’t you train to sweep the safety off just as confidently?

Safeties are fine. Too many wanna be operators out there. I think the benefits outweigh the one very unlikely negative, that you can forget to turn the safety off in a life or death situation. But to each his own. We’ve probably all seen the guy carefully holster his Glock in his appendix holster and then bend over. BANG!! Either the gun or holster was defective, or something got caught in the holster and fired the weapon as he bent down. I wonder what he thought as he lay there in pain, wondering if he just sever d a femoral artery or blew his junk off? Either way, wouldn’t have happened if the gun had a safety.
 
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