TomkinsSP
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And her pimp.
DNA results in....I am a mutt...
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And her pimp.
nachogrande
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FUNNY
"RABBLE" is one of the nicer names the "natives" (of that time) called your kin folk.
Those "natives" pushed out other "natives" that were there before them, over and over since Neanderthal vs cro magnum. 
WE ARE "NATIVES" everyone else is trash, yeah, right.
"RABBLE" is one of the nicer names the "natives" (of that time) called your kin folk.
Those "natives" pushed out other "natives" that were there before them, over and over since Neanderthal vs cro magnum. WE ARE "NATIVES" everyone else is trash, yeah, right.
Seeing that DNA contains the blueprint of our physical selves, I bet someday, using supercomputers, we’ll be able to take a cell with complete DNA in it and calculate exactly what the person looks like, sans weight and physical scaring. If we don't kill ourselves off within the next hundred years, the next century might be very interesting. Or very scary.
My wife bought me a DNA test kit. Some of the results were surprising.
At any rate, you have to remember that the DNA testers use their OWN database, which is only composed of folks that have used their service. If for one reason or another, some particular strain is under-represented, then your characteristics will not jibe with reality.
For an example, I know that one of my great-grandfathers was of German descent, as his father came off the boat from Germany. That should net me a considerable percentage of German origination - but it was small. At the same time, my maternal grandmother's folks came from Italy - and that showed up nicely. My predominant English ancestry was well known to me, as I have traced my paternal family tree back to England and Wales. I also showed quite a bit of Scandinavian ancestry, which was unknown to me before. Apparently I have just a dash of Native American blood in me, which was also a surprise. Probably not enough to be eligible to be a co-owner of a casino...
The more people that use the particular service, the better the odds are that your particular analysis is somewhat correct. Don't rely too much on what they find regarding percentages.
John
At any rate, you have to remember that the DNA testers use their OWN database, which is only composed of folks that have used their service. If for one reason or another, some particular strain is under-represented, then your characteristics will not jibe with reality.
For an example, I know that one of my great-grandfathers was of German descent, as his father came off the boat from Germany. That should net me a considerable percentage of German origination - but it was small. At the same time, my maternal grandmother's folks came from Italy - and that showed up nicely. My predominant English ancestry was well known to me, as I have traced my paternal family tree back to England and Wales. I also showed quite a bit of Scandinavian ancestry, which was unknown to me before. Apparently I have just a dash of Native American blood in me, which was also a surprise. Probably not enough to be eligible to be a co-owner of a casino...
The more people that use the particular service, the better the odds are that your particular analysis is somewhat correct. Don't rely too much on what they find regarding percentages.
John
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Being right in the middle of the Trail of Tears, it is rare to have a family around here that doesn't erroneously claim with absolute certainty to be at least 1/16th Cherokee, generally on their grandmother's side.
LVSteve
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I know just enough of my family history not to get a DNA test. Current information is sufficient to start two civil wars and new set of Crusades.
ChuckS1
US Veteran
I get a kick out of the TV commercial where the black lady says she didn't know where she came from ethically, so she spends $79 just to find out her ancestors came from Africa. To add insult to injury, they tell her that her ancestors were Nigerian, which isn't an ethic group. Nigeria, like so many other British colonies, had artificial borders drawn by the British Colonial Office which encompassed over 250 separate ethic groups. Nigeria as we know it today wasn't formed until the early 1900's by the British and was granted independence in 1960. Cracks me up every time that people are so stupid to fall for these scams.
And don't get me started on the idiot who traded his lederhosen in for a kilt...
And don't get me started on the idiot who traded his lederhosen in for a kilt...
DWalt
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When a DNA test cannot reliably distinguish ethnic/racial stock (i.e., black vs white), I don't trust it to be very accurate in establishing geographic origins either.
For those interested, the LDS (Mormons) have a free genealogy website which is pretty good, called Familysearch.org. You do have to register.
For those interested, the LDS (Mormons) have a free genealogy website which is pretty good, called Familysearch.org. You do have to register.
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I traced my father's side back to a bar in Hamtramck.
fiasconva
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One of my relatives traced my mother's side back to the 1600's or so but my great-great grandfather on my dad's side was a runaway who would never say where he actually came from. I don't even know if he changed his name or anything like that. I hit a dead end after my great grandfather.
TomkinsSP
Member
So are you telling me I shouldn't have given her all my banking information so she could transfer her inheritance which her long lost brother 'the Prince' had been holding for her, but who was unable to transfer to the United States from Nigeria without me?
sigp220.45
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When I tell people I spent most of my career on Indian reservations, they almost inevitably claim some degree of Indian heritage (usually Cherokee).
Real Indians will be able to produce a CIB - a Certificate of Indian Blood. It shows their blood levels - what percentage Indian they are, usually based on birth records, not DNA.
Most federally recognized tribes require a CIB for enrollment. Usually 25% is the minimum. (Some tribes, not so much. There is a joke in Indian country: What do you call 64 Cherokees in a room? A full blood.)
Why does it matter? Because in order to be tried in federal court for a crime committed in Indian Country (the legal term) we (the mean old Government) need to prove Indian-ness, usually by the production of a CIB from the tribal enrollment office.
Once when I was stationed on the Blackfeet (not Blackfoot) reservation I was sent to SLC to be a hostage negotiator for the winter Olympics. One of my fellow negotiators, an attractive young lady, told me she was one-quarter Blackfoot. As I said, you can enroll in the tribe at 1/4, so I asked if she was enrolled, which of course she wasn't. Then I said, 1/4 is a lot - that means one of your grandparents was a full-blood Blackfeet. She just kind of stared at me and said that was what her mom told her and changed the subject.
I think its cool that a lot of people want to claim Indian heritage. It means people have respect and awe for a true warrior culture. I wish I could claim some.
My sister did the DNA thing and it came back pretty much what we expected - Scottish on my Dad's side and German on my Mom's. She was surprised at the 18 percent of Scandinavian, until I pointed out the Viking raiders did a lot of pillaging and other stuff.
Real Indians will be able to produce a CIB - a Certificate of Indian Blood. It shows their blood levels - what percentage Indian they are, usually based on birth records, not DNA.
Most federally recognized tribes require a CIB for enrollment. Usually 25% is the minimum. (Some tribes, not so much. There is a joke in Indian country: What do you call 64 Cherokees in a room? A full blood.)
Why does it matter? Because in order to be tried in federal court for a crime committed in Indian Country (the legal term) we (the mean old Government) need to prove Indian-ness, usually by the production of a CIB from the tribal enrollment office.
Once when I was stationed on the Blackfeet (not Blackfoot) reservation I was sent to SLC to be a hostage negotiator for the winter Olympics. One of my fellow negotiators, an attractive young lady, told me she was one-quarter Blackfoot. As I said, you can enroll in the tribe at 1/4, so I asked if she was enrolled, which of course she wasn't. Then I said, 1/4 is a lot - that means one of your grandparents was a full-blood Blackfeet. She just kind of stared at me and said that was what her mom told her and changed the subject.
I think its cool that a lot of people want to claim Indian heritage. It means people have respect and awe for a true warrior culture. I wish I could claim some.
My sister did the DNA thing and it came back pretty much what we expected - Scottish on my Dad's side and German on my Mom's. She was surprised at the 18 percent of Scandinavian, until I pointed out the Viking raiders did a lot of pillaging and other stuff.
gjgalligan
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Well, we had the dog's DNA tested to see what breeds she is. We got her from a shelter that had got her litter from another shelter in a another state.
Results came back, we said no way, based on appearance and size. They did retest but same results.
2 vets, 2 dog trainers and a few groomers all say the DNA results must be wrong.
I say the results are goofy.
I no longer trust it for any reason. Dogs or people. Even to solve crimes.
Edit to add:Remember, the man your mother says is your father may not really be quite accurate. There might have also been a rape several generations back that can mess up results
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Welshman
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What grates me about the "lederhosen guy" is that he states that he is "Scottish and Irish" and yet the chart behind him shows Scotland, Ireland and WALES. Talk about discrimination!
Both sets of my grandparents came from Wales. My DNA results came back as "British".
Step N. Mud
Member
My sister had a ancestry DNA test several years ago unknown to me at the time and I had also did a DNA testing with a different outfit and both came back as 95% western european, which sounds about right. Mostly German,Irish. I know moms people came from Germany just before the start of the Civil war and just in time time to enlist in the military. Dads side mostly Great Britain, Irish, Welsh supposedly had some indian blood and we figured dad was 1/8 indian blood of unknown tribe as his great grand relatives did not sign up on the Dawes records for what ever reason. We have family records going back to the 1700s.
The thing that got me was with the Cherokee DNA testing group is they wanted another $300.00 for further reviewing that was declined. Seems Like I knew already more than the DNA folks did.
The thing that got me was with the Cherokee DNA testing group is they wanted another $300.00 for further reviewing that was declined. Seems Like I knew already more than the DNA folks did.
TomkinsSP
Member
What grates me about the "lederhosen guy" is that he states that he is "Scottish and Irish" and yet the chart behind him shows Scotland, Ireland and WALES. Talk about discrimination!
Both sets of my grandparents came from Wales. My DNA results came back as "British".
To the French nobility at Agincourt, you were all 'Bloody British'.
hardcase60
Member
I believe a reputable, accredited and often audited lab can reliably test a known DNA sample against an unknown to determine if there is a match. I also feel that criminal DNA databases are a good thing so long as any hits on a match are double and perhaps even triple checked to verify the match. This can be a great tool for law enforcement and with progresses in science and LE training will be more so in the future. Regarding the determination of ones origin, as previously noted, is limited to comparing the submitted sample against what could be a limited database. That will surly skew the results. IMHO, pay to play testing has not advanced far enough to be accurate. To further this dissertation, I strongly agree with gigalligan, for whatever reason things are not always as they are told and or recorded. "Stuff" happens. Based on "stuff" can genealogical DNA testing ever be 100% accurate??? Me thinks not. Growing up my sister and I were told we were 1/32nd Choctaw from the fathers mother's side. Ten years of amateur genealogy sleuthing has not proven that to be the case. Perhaps there was an Indian in the woods but I can't find him. hardcase60
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1morethan8
US Veteran, Absent Comrade
Why is it that Native American is about the only race you have to prove? You don't see a lot of people saying they're part Negro... well I do have a member who married a Mulatto many years ago.
People whose family have lived in this area for many generations, are almost certain to be part Cherokee.. after all it's the heart of the Cherokee Nation. We're not on The Trail Of Tears.. because it started here.
Red Clay is where the Trail of Tears really began, for it was at the Red Clay Council Grounds that the Cherokee learned that they had lost their mountains, streams and valleys forever.
“The Cherokee Eternal Flame”, Red Clay, Bradley County, TN
People whose family have lived in this area for many generations, are almost certain to be part Cherokee.. after all it's the heart of the Cherokee Nation. We're not on The Trail Of Tears.. because it started here.
Red Clay is where the Trail of Tears really began, for it was at the Red Clay Council Grounds that the Cherokee learned that they had lost their mountains, streams and valleys forever.
“The Cherokee Eternal Flame”, Red Clay, Bradley County, TN
nachogrande
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JUST WONDERING???
Is it BAD if your family tree is a straight line?
Is it BAD if your family tree is a straight line?
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