Do I REALLY NEED THE MP 2.0 OPTICS 10MM?

[marathonrunner]

My primary carry gun is my FN57 but use my MP 2.0 Optics Ready Compact with a Delta Point Pro when I need something more accurate.

The new MP Optics Ready 10mm seems cool, but unless I am an outdoors man, for CCW using Buffalo Bore full powered 180gr Hollow Point (1350fps) that seems too dangerous for CCW knowing it can go through the bad guy and into an innocent bystandard.

HST makes a 10mm 200gr that is 1100fps, that appears to be close to a +P 45acp round but cheaper. I also notice many of the other 10mm self defense round is very close to 40 caliber so what is the point of 10mm?

If you are not going out in the woods would you be carrying a 10mm over 9mm? I think 9mm penatrates more than a .40 so it is why I have never switched to 40

 

[M29since14]

Doesn't sound like you need (want) one to me.

 

[waffles]

You've already identified you don't have a use case for it, so no, you don't need it.

You're asking why people might carry a 10mm over a 9mm if they're not going into the woods, and the answer is most don't. Different guns for different uses.

 

[marathonrunner]

You've already identified you don't have a use case for it, so no, you don't need it.

You're asking why people might carry a 10mm over a 9mm if they're not going into the woods, and the answer is most don't. Different guns for different uses.

The only reason I started to look into 10mm is because MP just came out with a 15 rounder but then looking at HST 200gr, the performance level is not any different than a .40 caliber 200gr load so what is the point of 10mm? Even the use of a 45+P is very close in performance.

So I guess the 10mm for CCW does not make sense unless you plan on going out into the woods and need it for bear protection

 

[Farmer17]

The Glock 10m/m has been very common in dangerous bear country areas for many years and may be even more popular there than the .44 Magnum. Sixteen rounds vs six in a lighter and less expensive gun sounds appealing but I don't really see any need for the 10m/m for self defense against human threats. Many so called experts don't even see any need for the .40 S&W which is a step up in power from the 9m/m. Not sure I totally agree with that, though I have several 9m/ms that I like. I've never shot a 10m/m, I would like to give one a try.

 

[waffles]

The only reason I started to look into 10mm is because MP just came out with a 15 rounder but then looking at HST 200gr, the performance level is not any different than a .40 caliber 200gr load so what is the point of 10mm? Even the use of a 45+P is very close in performance.

So I guess the 10mm for CCW does not make sense unless you plan on going out into the woods and need it for bear protection

Right, and outdoor protection is most of the 10mm market, with nuclear handhold hobbyists being the second. That's the market. I can get lighter 10mm loads as i can get light loads for every caliber. You're not the market for it.

 

[Autonomous]

A lot of ammo companies are selling watered down 10mm ammo.
It is this diluted ammo that compares to a strong 40 S&W (Short & Weak)
or a pumped up .45 ACP +P.
The boutique ammunition makers offer full power stuff but some of their ammo doesn't always match their claims. Underwood products have good credibility, that's who I use for full power stuff. Federal has some offerings with good power. Possibly some other big names too but it's been a while sense I've studied the field.

 

[marathonrunner]

The Glock 10m/m has been very common in dangerous bear country areas for many years and may be even more popular there than the .44 Magnum. Sixteen rounds vs six in a lighter and less expensive gun sounds appealing but I don't really see any need for the 10m/m for self defense against human threats. Many so called experts don't even see any need for the .40 S&W which is a step up in power from the 9m/m. Not sure I totally agree with that, though I have several 9m/ms that I like. I've never shot a 10m/m, I would like to give one a try.

The MP 10mm was very appealing because of the 15 round capacity and the fact I can use water downed ammo to mimic a 40 or go full power with buffalo bore but i do know 9mm penetrates more deeply then 40 so it is why I probably won't step up to the 10mm

 

[marathonrunner]

A lot of ammo companies are selling watered down 10mm ammo.
It is this diluted ammo that compares to a strong 40 S&W (Short & Weak)
or a pumped up .45 ACP +P.
The boutique ammunition makers offer full power stuff but some of their ammo doesn't always match their claims. Underwood products have good credibility, that's who I use for full power stuff. Federal has some offerings with good power. Possibly some other big names too but it's been a while sense I've studied the field.

I called Federal and spoke to their tech support and was told their HST 10mm 200gr is designed for personal defense. So basically I can get a 40 and get the same performance but at a cheaper price. I think the only advantage of using water down version in 10mm is maybe slightly less recoil

 

[Racer X]

Here is my take on it. You can practice with .40 S&W in it. Before too long, there should be aftermarket .357 SIG barrels available for self defense loads. You can use the 10mm magazines. Might need a lighter recoil spring for light .40 loads. And if you are stomping around outside you can carry full load REAL 10mm rounds.

Just my plan. Since I will be reloading myself, the .357 SIG and 10mm won't be that expensive. There are companies that still make real 10mm loads, and stout .357 SIG rounds. 10mm 180gr Elite V-Crown JHP Ammunition box of 20 | SIG SAUER 10mm Auto 180GR JHP - Magtech 40 S&W 155GR JHP Guardian Gold - Magtech 357SIG 125gr Elite V-Crown JHP Ammunition | box of 20 357 SIG – JHP 124 GRS SB357SIGB – Sellier & Bellot

 

[hardluk1]

marathonrunner If you have to ask then you do not need one. Move along . Only reason to need a 10mm is for dangerous game and I already have a 45acp I can shoot 45super in it and no 200gr 10mm even from underwood or BB will better a 255gr hc if really needed and the extra rounds, forget about it as a charging grizzle or moose maybe dead or close to its running away , eating or stumping a mud hole in your remains by time you draw and fire 10 rounds. Carry a 45 or a 40 maybe with 155gr underwood ammo as I have shot thru 16 to 17" of deer top to bottom with that load and found plenty of tissue damage.

 

[Dave Lively]

Right, and outdoor protection is most of the 10mm market, with nuclear handhold hobbyists being the second. That's the market. I can get lighter 10mm loads as i can get light loads for every caliber. You're not the market for it.

I don't have sales statistics or survey data but I think the number of people that actually need a 10mm for outdoor protection is very small compared to the number of people that own 10mm pistols.

I own guns that serve no useful purpose, there is nothing wrong about guns just because you want one. There aren't any grizzlies around here but there are a lot of people with 10mm pistols.

Most 10mm fans are hobbyists, some of whom feel the need to justify owning one. There are not anywhere near enough people living where animal attacks are a real threat to explain the number of 10mm pistols being sold.

 

[rosewood]

Here is my take on it. You can practice with .40 S&W in it. Before too long, there should be aftermarket .357 SIG barrels available for self defense loads. You can use the 10mm magazines. Might need a lighter recoil spring for light .40 loads. And if you are stomping around outside you can carry full load REAL 10mm rounds.

Unless you plan on swapping barrels, you should not be shooting 40 in a 10mm chambered barrel. Sure it will work most of the time, but the cartridges headspace off the mouth. Putting a 40 in a 10barrel, you are now relying on the extractor to headspace the round. You are placing undue stress on the extractor as well as the rim of the case and if the case by chance gets past the extractor, your gun will not fire.

The extractor is very important in reliability of a firearm feeding and extraction, putting undue stress on it could very well hamper that reliability at the most inopportune time.

Now if you get a 40 barrel or a 357 sig barrel, you are golden. Maybe a 9x25 barrel if available in the future??

Rosewood

 

[rosewood]

I don't have sales statistics or survey data but I think the number of people that actually need a 10mm for outdoor protection is very small compared to the number of people that own 10mm pistols.

I own guns that serve no useful purpose, there is nothing wrong about guns just because you want one. There aren't any grizzlies around here but there are a lot of people with 10mm pistols.

Most 10mm fans are hobbyists, some of whom feel the need to justify owning one. There are not anywhere near enough people living where animal attacks are a real threat to explain the number of 10mm pistols being sold.

Exactly.

What other reason do you need to buy a 10mm other than it is a 10mm??


Rosewood

 

[sotexas]

Why ask...I actually don't need anything other than my CC but own so many more because I just wanted them...If you want one get it and if not pass.

 

[Autonomous]

I don't have sales statistics or survey data but I think the number of people that actually need a 10mm for outdoor protection is very small compared to the number of people that own 10mm pistols.

I own guns that serve no useful purpose, there is nothing wrong about guns just because you want one. There aren't any grizzlies around here but there are a lot of people with 10mm pistols.

Most 10mm fans are hobbyists, some of whom feel the need to justify owning one. There are not anywhere near enough people living where animal attacks are a real threat to explain the number of 10mm pistols being sold.

True for any number of calibers. The wife and I had a <50' encounter with an adult mountain lion. I had been lusting after a .44 Mag so that is what I bought with her encouragement.
Way more gun than needed. I would have been better served with a .45 ACP 1911, .357 Mag, 10mm etc.

 

[curlysir]

Exactly.

What other reason do you need to buy a 10mm other than it is a 10mm??


Rosewood

That is why I will buy one as soon as it is available in my area.

 

[rosewood]

That is why I will buy one as soon as it is available in my area.

Supposedly a 4" was spotted at a LGS for $460. It was gone when I went to look at it. After looking at the prices online, I am thinking that was a misunderstanding. If another pops up for that, it may be following me home.

Rosewood

 

[marathonrunner]

You've already identified you don't have a use case for it, so no, you don't need it.

You're asking why people might carry a 10mm over a 9mm if they're not going into the woods, and the answer is most don't. Different guns for different uses.

yep@ you everyone here saved me from myself...lol....so easy to spend money then have buyer's remorse.

 

[Ethang]

you really came here to a bunch of enablers asking if you really need a new M&P? Most of us do not NEED a 10mm, but what does that have to do with the price of eggs? Need has nothing to do with it.