Do We Have a Better Spokesman for CC & SD Than Massad Ayoob?

[Jack Flash]

I've been watching a lot of his videos of late.
He is always calm, clear and rational.

Here's one, short and to the point, which of course will never appear on the major networks:
Massad Ayoob - 1.67 Million Defensive Gun Usages Compared To 38,000 Gun Deaths. - YouTube

 

[somorris]

Thanks for the link, Jack. I think Massod needs to be more widely publicized. I really disagree with the hype about “brandishing” being a crime since a lot of times that can stop the aggression immediately. We have some really stupid laws, especially in some jurisdictions.

 

[jbull380]

What? Statistics presented with reason? That's just crazy talk.

 

[Inusuit]

Colion Noir does a nice job. Intelligent, rational, well informed.

 

[Hair Trigger]

Maybe there were only 38,000 defensive shooters who hit their target well enough to kill them?

Not trying to be (completely) flip, but his statistics don't mention non-fatal gunshot injuries.

 

[robertrwalsh]

I took the LFI 1 course from Ayoob back when dinosaurs still walked the earth. It was an excellent class and he is an outstanding instructor.

 

[Eric300]

Thanks for the link, Jack. I think Massod needs to be more widely publicized. I really disagree with the hype about “brandishing” being a crime since a lot of times that can stop the aggression immediately. We have some really stupid laws, especially in some jurisdictions.

There's a big difference between 'Brandishing' and 'Displaying'.

If you're swinging a firearm around in a menacing/threatening manner for whatever reason besides self-defense, that's 'Brandishing', and yes, that should (and in most places is) a crime.

If you (for whatever reason you might feel is necessary) decide to 'Display' your firearm in a perceived self-defense situation, that is usually acceptable and not considered a criminal act.

 

[NY-1]

There's a big difference between 'Brandishing' and 'Displaying'.

If you're swinging a firearm around in a menacing/threatening manner for whatever reason besides self-defense, that's 'Brandishing', and yes, that should (and in most places is) a crime.

If you (for whatever reason you might feel is necessary) decide to 'Display' your firearm in a perceived self-defense situation, that is usually acceptable and not considered a criminal act.

It really depends upon the jurisdiction and the prosecuting authority IMO. NYS has a menacing/brandishing statute that's worded so broadly that the mere display of the firearm, intentional or not, is grounds for charges depending upon what the supposed "victim" claims.

§ 120.14 Menacing in the second degree.

A person is guilty of menacing in the second degree when:

1. He or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person
in reasonable fear of physical injury, serious physical injury or death
by displaying a deadly weapon, dangerous instrument or what appears to
be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun or other firearm; or ...

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

 

[Eric300]

It really depends upon the jurisdiction and the prosecuting authority IMO. NYS has a menacing/brandishing statute that's worded so broadly that the mere display of the firearm, intentional or not, is grounds for charges depending upon what the supposed "victim" claims.




NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

Well, that's NY for you. What a crock of mumbo-jumbo. Apparently, the NYS is so smart that they can make up their own definition regardless of what is in the dictionary.


brandish
verb
bran·​dish ˈbran-dish
brandished; brandishing; brandishes
Synonyms of brandish
transitive verb

1
: to shake or wave (something, such as a weapon) menacingly
brandished a knife at them

 

[somorris]

Sometimes, things depend too much on what side of the bed the AG got up on! . It appears there is at least some confusion brought on by semantics. If I feel threatened by some thug who appears to have I’ll intent towards me, and I draw a sidearm and have it at low ready, is that displaying or brandishing (which one). Honest question for those of you in the know. I have read a lot of internet experts say pulling a weapon is brandishing and could wind up with a person being prosecuted.

 

[Bald1]

I always wondered what “part time police officer” meant. Was he an auxiliary traffic cop? Crowd control? Crossing guard? I wondered if full time LEO had an issue being trained by him. I could see that happening.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Rule of thumb for everyone to remember - if you pull out a gun for the purposes of causing someone exhibiting a serious threat to you or others to leave the scene and you don't have any further confrontation and no shooting - put the gun away and CALL 911 ANYWAY!!!! If you don't someone else might, including the perp, and that's when you'll be accused of menacing or brandishing, etc. Call Five-0 and tell them exactly what happened and if they say wait for a cop to show up then wait. If they say thank you, we have a record of it, you can leave then that's when you leave safely.

 

[cololab]

Colorado Revised Statute Section 18-3-206 "Menacing" muddies the water a bit whether or not a firearm is displayed. I won't quote the statute here, but it's worth a read for any of our Colorado residents. As was stated above, be the first to call the police so as to hopefully mitigate the thug calling and claiming to be the victim.

 

[max503]

He was nice enough to reply to a comment I made once. I liked that.

 

[Echo40]

Rule of thumb for everyone to remember - if you pull out a gun for the purposes of causing someone exhibiting a serious threat to you or others to leave the scene and you don't have any further confrontation and no shooting - put the gun away and CALL 911 ANYWAY!!!! If you don't someone else might, including the perp, and that's when you'll be accused of menacing or brandishing, etc. Call Five-0 and tell them exactly what happened and if they say wait for a cop to show up then wait. If they say thank you, we have a record of it, you can leave then that's when you leave safely.

This is also good advice because on the off chance that all the attacker actually did was duck around a corner, lying in wait, then once they hear you called 911 they're likely to actually flee the scene than stick around to ambush you.

 

[326MOD10]

I attended his MAG-20 class a couple years ago and it was great information.

He still does a great job of breaking things down and well worth the price of admission.

In regard to his LE background he is solid. Only a fool would look down on his knowledge and disregard it because he was not a full time LEO.

But of course those fools exist.

 

[LVSteve]

Well, that's NY for you. What a crock of mumbo-jumbo. Apparently, the NYS is so smart that they can make up their own definition regardless of what is in the dictionary.


brandish
verb
bran·​dish ˈbran-dish
brandished; brandishing; brandishes
Synonyms of brandish
transitive verb

1
: to shake or wave (something, such as a weapon) menacingly
brandished a knife at them

Go take a look at the Texas CCW statutes. They don't even mention "menacing" or "threatening". Just allowing it to be seen in a holster seems to be enough.

 

[NY-1]

Mas Ayoob and YouTuber Paul Harrell are probably two of my favorite 2A-related personalities. Both have years of experience and have excellent presentation styles that don't come off as pretentious or otherwise full of themselves. Just great information and practical demonstrations.

 

[Birdhunter6]

I took the LFI 1 course from Ayoob back when dinosaurs still walked the earth. It was an excellent class and he is an outstanding instructor.

Same here.

I took LFI 1 over 20 years ago, after 20 years of reading his articles and books. At that time it was a stretch for me financially, but "Judicious Use of Deadly Force" was more than I'd hoped for.

The range portion of that class, his "Stress Fire" system, immediately helped me improve my ability to coach other shooters, particularly those more recoil sensitive than I.

To this day, when I pick up a magazine I read his articles FIRST!

 

[Birdhunter6]

I always wondered what “part time police officer” meant. Was he an auxiliary traffic cop? Crowd control? Crossing guard? I wondered if full time LEO had an issue being trained by him. I could see that happening.

Ayoob was a cop in NH from 1972-2017, working as a patrol officer, firearms instructor and in many additional ranks & positions. He retired as a Captain. Simultaneously he was an author and trainer. He is a nationally recognized expert witness.

When I took his class, 1/3 of students were law enforcement officers, including a firearms instructor from a state university police academy. Lawyers were also well represented.