I finally found a 4" 617 no dash this month (July 2011). I paid $735 all said and done, but it was the exact version I wanted. I had been looking for one like it for a few years. Earlier 617s don't come around that often. The seller had gotten it with rubber grips but replaced them with some nice football targets to sweeten the deal, but were incorrect for the 617 no dash, according to the SCSW. Luckily I had a pair of of the proper combat grips that I had bought some years earlier. Using a little reverse inflation calculation equated the sale price to $388 in 1990 dollars. That took a little of the sting out of the deal. Plus the target grips are worth $75 to $100 if I decide to sell them, but they will probably end up on another K or L frame in the future. After all, I have the grips so I need the gun to go with them.