Does any LE agency still issue/authorize the PR-24?
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Fishinfool
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Was issued one when I joined the CSP back in 1981. I still remember the first day of training, working over a stack of old tires. Lots of guys with sore elbows and ribs that day.
About impossible to keep on your belt in a cruiser. I used to stick mine between the top of the passenger seat and head rest, handle up, and use it to hold my uniform Stetson hat.
Larry
About impossible to keep on your belt in a cruiser. I used to stick mine between the top of the passenger seat and head rest, handle up, and use it to hold my uniform Stetson hat.
Larry
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MOONDAWG
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We discarded the PR-24 around 1993 for the ASP.
They were a pain in the *** to carry on one's gun belt, and there never was enough training time to keep everyone as proficient as they needed to be to properly employ them.
They were a pain in the *** to carry on one's gun belt, and there never was enough training time to keep everyone as proficient as they needed to be to properly employ them.
Only one MAN was expert enough with a baton!
Can't remember if it was he who thew it or Heather and took the bad guy down on the run!
Can't remember if it was he who thew it or Heather and took the bad guy down on the run!
BikerRN
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Heather threw the PR 24.Only one MAN was expert enough with a baton!
Can't remember if it was he who thew it or Heather and took the bad guy down on the run!
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When cops got out of a car.....
They always had to drop their pr24 into its holster. I guess you could jump out of the car with it if needed for immediate action but it DID look clumsy to carry. How do you guys sit and drive with all that 'stuff' on your belt?
They always had to drop their pr24 into its holster. I guess you could jump out of the car with it if needed for immediate action but it DID look clumsy to carry. How do you guys sit and drive with all that 'stuff' on your belt?
Doug M.
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Pharmer said: How would you train someone to employ " ethical, non-violent, non-pain compliant techniques" that include the PR 24? Joe
And then Bert Man said:
Legal issues: One need not move through and use all or even most of the steps of a control tactics continuum. (Because so many included "presence", which not a use of force, I avoid using the term "use of force" continuum.) One could well be in an encounter in which very high (lethal) levels of force are the first response. As for "non-violent, non-pain compliant techniques" - if one has a resister, there are none, and there need not be any. The offender chooses what response the officer will have to use. Fights are ugly, and most of the time, offenders will need medical clearance before booking as a result of the level of effort it takes to overcome their unlawful resistance. NMFP. LE is not generally about people pleasing. It is about coercive compliance, whether by strong verbal admonishment, traffic ticket or arrests and use of force.
From my response in a string on another forum, quoting from Graham v. Connor, the leading case on use of force: " "The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight. See Terry v. Ohio, supra, at 392 U. S. 20-22. The Fourth Amendment is not violated by an arrest based on probable cause, even though the wrong person is arrested, Hill v. California, 401 U. S. 797 (1971) ..." 490 U.S. 386 at 396. "The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments -- in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving -- about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation." 490 U.S. 386 at 396-397." (I just added the emphasis.)
For quite some time after I graduated, my academy would not teach or allow any straight stick. They were, and are, a big bag of fail as a rule. If used with vigor, the ASP broke, and almost never worked well enough in a fight. (I knew an ISP trooper, not working a rough area, and not real big and strong, who broke 6 in the first year he had one.) If I were going to carry a straight stick, it would be one of the really good quality, semi-custom heavy wooden ones.
I carried a PR24 all the time, and as soon as the expandable version came out, I went to that. It rode on my belt just fine.
And then Bert Man said:
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Legal issues: One need not move through and use all or even most of the steps of a control tactics continuum. (Because so many included "presence", which not a use of force, I avoid using the term "use of force" continuum.) One could well be in an encounter in which very high (lethal) levels of force are the first response. As for "non-violent, non-pain compliant techniques" - if one has a resister, there are none, and there need not be any. The offender chooses what response the officer will have to use. Fights are ugly, and most of the time, offenders will need medical clearance before booking as a result of the level of effort it takes to overcome their unlawful resistance. NMFP. LE is not generally about people pleasing. It is about coercive compliance, whether by strong verbal admonishment, traffic ticket or arrests and use of force.
From my response in a string on another forum, quoting from Graham v. Connor, the leading case on use of force: " "The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight. See Terry v. Ohio, supra, at 392 U. S. 20-22. The Fourth Amendment is not violated by an arrest based on probable cause, even though the wrong person is arrested, Hill v. California, 401 U. S. 797 (1971) ..." 490 U.S. 386 at 396. "The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments -- in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving -- about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation." 490 U.S. 386 at 396-397." (I just added the emphasis.)
For quite some time after I graduated, my academy would not teach or allow any straight stick. They were, and are, a big bag of fail as a rule. If used with vigor, the ASP broke, and almost never worked well enough in a fight. (I knew an ISP trooper, not working a rough area, and not real big and strong, who broke 6 in the first year he had one.) If I were going to carry a straight stick, it would be one of the really good quality, semi-custom heavy wooden ones.
I carried a PR24 all the time, and as soon as the expandable version came out, I went to that. It rode on my belt just fine.
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CCantu357
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I was thinking about the PR-24 just the other day. Seems every part of the country called them different things: clubs, billy clubs...down here it was always nightstick or just PR-24.
I remember my grandfather carrying one when on uniform duty, even after the ASP was approved. I believe he liked the defensive aspects of the PR-24, such as using it as blocking device held against the forearm. I suppose it was a great improvement over the old straight nightstick of the old days.
I remember my grandfather carrying one when on uniform duty, even after the ASP was approved. I believe he liked the defensive aspects of the PR-24, such as using it as blocking device held against the forearm. I suppose it was a great improvement over the old straight nightstick of the old days.
Old Corp
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My agency used the straight stick (Monadnock) baton for decades. Even when the ASP became available and we had personnel asking for it, our 'Retired NYPD' Chief would remark in his abrasive NY accent, 'Nah - dat ting looks like a lead pipe. Thugs use lead pipes. Nah.'
Once he left, yep, the ASP came and is carried by all uniform folks as well as the Taser.
Once he left, yep, the ASP came and is carried by all uniform folks as well as the Taser.
LouisianaJoe
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I carried one in the mid 70's. I still have one that I made out of oak on my wood lathe then.
Had an Officer nicknamed Wood Tick, small head and he had to push 290 lbs. We were being trained by some officers that just got back from a National Certification course. He was asked if he could be used in a demonstration and replied OK, just don't hurt me. Starting from a position with both Officers down the trainer put a little too much pressure on and ended up with Wood Tick on top, elbow in his sternum, stating in a Command Voice " I Said, don't hurt me". Trainers eyes were the size of pie plates. It isn't fun to realize you don't know all you think you do with two entire Depts watching.
I never used a PR24 in law enforcement duties. I started a little late taking Karate lessons, I think I was just 40. Originally I took them with my son as something we could do together, he got tired of the work and quit after a couple years, I stayed with it. Part of our training after achieving a purple belt was the introduction to weapons and my Sensei was very fond of the PR24, he was a past master in the use of all of the oriental style weapons from nuchancu to scythe but in the right hands he felt the PR24 was superior to anything that didn't have a cutting edge and even then could serve it user if trained properly. He could stand with his stick at his side and deliver a skull crushing blow to any target and have the stick back to his side and he was just a blur. Excellent weapon, I'm not sure but I believe they are not legal for civilian use in this state.
I returned to carrying a PR-24 after I bent my "Asp" on a "Druggie" intent on hurting Jimmy.
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