Does any one know about the new 9 mm

[H Richard]

If a manufacturer can get a lot of "air" time, or magazine article time, it promotes the brand, maybe not just the specific item. Something that gets a lot of press helps sell all levels of their products. After a year or two and they don't sell enough they will discontinue them again. Ever hear of loss leaders?

 

[oldman10mm]

For about the past month, I've been looking at/looking for a 9mm revolver. Prior to the recent S&W 2014 release, there were 5 in the past. Charter Arms Pit Bull 9mm(special rimmed ammo by Federal),S&W 547,S&W 940, Ruger Speed Six, and Ruger SP101.
Those that have the S&Ws' or Rugers and reload have been trimming down 38sp/357m cases to 9mm case length. The 38/357 rim now fits in the space allocated for the moonclip. The OD of 38/357/9mm cases are identical. Once the case is trimmed down, run it thru a 9mm sizing die. I've been reading about this on other forums and it got me interested as I reload 9mm,38/357.

 

[625 Shooter]

For about the past month, I've been looking at/looking for a 9mm revolver. Prior to the recent S&W 2014 release, there were 5 in the past. Charter Arms Pit Bull 9mm(special rimmed ammo by Federal),S&W 547,S&W 940, Ruger Speed Six, and Ruger SP101.
Those that have the S&Ws' or Rugers and reload have been trimming down 38sp/357m cases to 9mm case length. The 38/357 rim now fits in the space allocated for the moonclip. The OD of 38/357/9mm cases are identical. Once the case is trimmed down, run it thru a 9mm sizing die. I've been reading about this on other forums and it got me interested as I reload 9mm,38/357.

OR simply purchase .38 Short Colt brass from Starline.

Beats the heck out of trimming hundreds (or thousands) of .38 Spec brass.

 

[oldman10mm]

I don't trim back good brass. 357s' with splits at the mouth are trimmed to 38sp. 38sp with splits at mouth would be trimmed to 9mm. I'm aware that 38 short colt is already the proper length,but why buy when you can just trim scrap cases.

 

[625 Shooter]

Understand. Good point.

Just not worth the time & effort for many of us. Especially for those that shoot a lot.

I bought 2000 Starline .38 Short Colt cases - and kind of wish I had bought another 1000 or two. But I'll get along okay.

 

[snubbiefan]

Here's a low-budget entry for you. I passed on the purchase of a Taurus 905 for $175 a while back. I personally think that particular gun is a piece of junk. The moon-clips were way too thin and the chambers were bored all way thru. You HAVE to use moon-clips with that gun (which are seriously hard to find), but as I think on it....don't know why the idea of a rimmed "conversion" 9-mil would not have worked since you're not head-spacing on a case-mouth. Next time I go back by that pawn shop and it's still there....bet I could get it for $150 or less. On the other side of the coin the thought persist....why bother with building a 9mm rimmed round just to have another gun that can be duplicated with a 38-Special in terms of stopping-power at SD ranges?

Maybe just because we can, or it's a novelty.

 

[S&W357]

I may have the Rifle at my dad's house. You are a Funny guy !!!
For the past month i been ordering all new clips for my semi guns. Getting legal for N.Y.

 

[oldman10mm]

1) novelty-YES
2) chamber pressures 38sp-18,000psi 9mm-32,000psi
3) for my 9s',I load use/load Rem 88jhp 380acp bullets,chronograghed 1500fps from a Beretta 92.

 

[Rule 303]

I have two like new 940s with 3 inch barrels, bought them several years ago on two consecutive weeks. I paid $300.00 for one and $350.00 for the other. This was about five or six years ago. I just ordered some moon clips from Ranch Products today. I have yet to ever shoot them, they are still in one of the safes. Might shoot them or not.

Rule 303

 

[snubbiefan]

Chamber pressure does not protect a victim. Lead traveling out the end of the barrel protects the victim. There can be little doubt that the 9-mil is/can be made into a superior round than the 38-Special. What one is building with a rimmed 9-mil load is a one-of that you have to manufacture ammo for. I shoot my 9-mil in guns chambered for that round and luv it. All this is great and I'm not knocking anything any of us want to do. I am a re-loader as well. I just don't see the need to create a special bullet when a 38-Special will kill a BG just as dead....dead....dead at SD ranges as a 9-mil and you can find the ammo at Wally-World.

 

[jcelect]

Different question?

Owning a 9mm revolver is just one mans preference! My question for discussion is "why a Titanium cyl"? I have a Performance Center 646 w/Ti cyl and it will not shoot ANY lead loads without sticking the cases in the cyl! I have loaded many different lead bullets and some were 1gr(not .1gr) below book min. and the cases still stuck. However, jacketed bullets shoot just fine, even max loads! The other side of the coin! A friend had the same gun, bought from the same distributor, at the same time as mine and it will digest anything he puts in the gun! The factory says "Do not polish the cylinder bores"! !
WHY Titanium Cylinders? ? ?
jcelect

 

[sac-gunslinger]

If a manufacturer can get a lot of "air" time, or magazine article time, it promotes the brand, maybe not just the specific item.

For those of you old enough, remember 1960. Plymouth aggressively promoted the then-new Fury with the Golden Commando V-8 (383 CID with dual quads). Chevron aggressively promoted its 120 octane "super" grade gasoline (Plymouth advertised that the Fury could do 130 mph straight off the showroom floor) showing a Fury convertible cruising down the highway at an undisclosed very high rate of speed.

Well, it worked. My Dad wandered into the local Plymouth showroom (we had local dealerships in those days) to look at the Fury. He bought a two-door Belvedere with a six cylinder engine because of being in that showroom. He even tried a couple of tankfuls of Chevron super in it.

Advertising a full-race 9mm revolver will drive sales even if I do not think it is a practical piece of equipment.

 

[sac-gunslinger]

WHY Titanium Cylinders? ? ?

See my post about the Golden Commando V-8 with dual quad carburetors. Adds sex appeal.

 

[Kilibreaux]

9mm J frame...

And what's wrong with making sales to a narrow demographic? If it fills a perceived need and folk buy it, what's the beef?

I reckon anything that keeps S&W manufacturing revolvers, especially trying satisfy nit picky competitive shooters can't be bad. The average joe won't shoot 1000 rounds in the entire time he owns a revolver. A competition shooter will often do that in a month...Smith's quality control folk can't help but learn something from the high volume shooters...

I "get" the entire logic behind a 9mm revolver. The shorter case loaded to higher pressure is far more efficient than any .38spl case, and the rimless design is superior when used with moon clips. Also, the use of moon clips is about MORE than simply being able to load faster - moon clips contain the shells "en bloc" which means the entire unit comes back out, as opposed to ejecting "loose" shells where some may hang up, or work (with longer barreled guns) the ejector star moves out far enough to allow a rim to jump behind the star IF the operator has not been scrupulous in using proper ejection technique. But what I don't "get" is why S&W (or anyone else) doesn't make a DEDICATED frame and cylinder specific to the 9mm! IF they were marketing "convertables" with a spare .38spl cylinder and running a .357" bore I could see the "standard" frame length, but they're not. So why not take the J-frame in another notch by creating a "short frame" version with the frame and cylinder length sized specific to the 9mm. This would also apply to a .40S&W version as well. I think as long as rimless chamberings are nothing more "exotic" than a caliber change, rimless revolvers (other than the .45ACP) will forever reside in the "niche market" realm, but if someone starts with a clean sheet of paper and designs a J-frame "pattern" around and dimensioned too the 9x19, consumer interest would flare.

 

[jaymoore]

I "get" the entire logic behind a 9mm revolver. The shorter case loaded to higher pressure is far more efficient than any .38spl case, and the rimless design is superior when used with moon clips. Also, the use of moon clips is about MORE than simply being able to load faster - moon clips contain the shells "en bloc" which means the entire unit comes back out, as opposed to ejecting "loose" shells where some may hang up, or work (with longer barreled guns) the ejector star moves out far enough to allow a rim to jump behind the star IF the operator has not been scrupulous in using proper ejection technique. But what I don't "get" is why S&W (or anyone else) doesn't make a DEDICATED frame and cylinder specific to the 9mm! IF they were marketing "convertables" with a spare .38spl cylinder and running a .357" bore I could see the "standard" frame length, but they're not. So why not take the J-frame in another notch by creating a "short frame" version with the frame and cylinder length sized specific to the 9mm. This would also apply to a .40S&W version as well. I think as long as rimless chamberings are nothing more "exotic" than a caliber change, rimless revolvers (other than the .45ACP) will forever reside in the "niche market" realm, but if someone starts with a clean sheet of paper and designs a J-frame "pattern" around and dimensioned too the 9x19, consumer interest would flare.

Return of the "I" frame! Count me in.

A Centennial type I frame in 9mm would be very nice. It'll fit some pockets that the current ones won't. Wouldn't want it in any lightweight version, though. Thing's vicious enough in recoil as is.

 

[Kid44]

$1189 suggested retail.

I wish they had brought one back in a smaller frame or a 4-inch barrel version. What's this model going to be good for....other than to have? Might have made sense when 9 x 19 was $10-$12 a box. I may be way off base, but I don't understand it. None-the-less....there it is for those who want one.

I can buy a paperweight for MUCH LESS than $1189

 

[Cal44]

There are two:

The 929 N frame 6.5" 8 shot
The 968 L frame 5" 7 shot

They are now listed on the S&W site.

 

[NYlakesider]

There are two:

The 929 N frame 6.5" 8 shot
The 968 L frame 5" 7 shot

They are now listed on the S&W site.

Now let's see a nice 6 shot on a K with 2 1/2'' and 4'' or better yet if possible a 5 shot on a J with short barrels, AND DO NOT MESS IT UP WITH THAT BLANKITY BLANK LOCK NONSENSE! Good chance I would get both a J and a K if they built it right!

 

[S&W357]

There are two:

The 929 N frame 6.5" 8 shot
The 968 L frame 5" 7 shot

They are now listed on the S&W site.

If you were to use one for the range,witch one would you want ?
I would think M929 - 6.5 would be a better shooter but 6.5 is a long barrel and is it balance well ? I am going to buy one but without holding it in my hand is a hard pick.
I should post a new - Did any one shoot the new S&W 9mm Revolver ? It's to soon yet. I called 7 gun stores within 180 miles and no one has them and 3 gun stores never even heard about them. Did i tell you ,,,, they are all S&W dealers ? Most of the gun guys are at the show.