Does anyone here own a S&W model of 1917
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I believe there were some prototype revolvers made in 30 carbine...did not think they were on the N frame platform. I thought they were K frames. Not likely there are many floating around...others may know better. Now could someone have modified a 1917 for that caliber. Sure.
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You mean like this?
This beauty is in the Springfield (Massachusetts) Museum:
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There were a few N frame .30 Carbine test revolvers made during WW II. They are well described on page 139 of the current edition of the SCSW.
I have seen one on display at an SWCA Symposium. Membership has its perks...this is called a hint.
I have seen one on display at an SWCA Symposium. Membership has its perks...this is called a hint.
The write up attached with the picture, I believe. I have shot and been on the line with someone shooting a Ruger Single Action in 30 Carbine and it was deafening even with plugs and muffs on.
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Interesting, can the N frame withstand the CUP of the .30 carbine? if so is it possible to fire .45 ACP P + in them on a limited base ?
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1917 Army cylinders were heat-treated (unlike .455 revolvers of the same era) but I too would not be greatly enthusiastic about using them with .45 ACP + P. Quite a bit more steel with six .30 Carbine rounds vs. six .45s in an N frame cylinder.
I aquired a Brizilian contract 1917 this weekend and was told it was refinished because of the plum color of the cylinder. But when i gave it a good look over when I got home from the lack of a flame cut in the top strap, condition of the forcing cone and no signs of buffing lm wondering. The blueing looks its age not bright but faded with handling dings but not beat. Numbers match except the grips whitch are new plane replacement. Im wondering if the plum color of the cylinder is a victum of age and heat treat and not a reblue.
Bill
The question is do the cylinders turn plum color from age.
Bill
Bill
The question is do the cylinders turn plum color from age.
Bill
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Welcome to posting in the Forum, wwmain. Looks like this is your second post since February 2015.
Can you post a picture of the cylinder, including the rear of the cylinder, showing the serial number?
Can you post a picture of the cylinder, including the rear of the cylinder, showing the serial number?
I, and a lot of others here, are quite fond of the 1917. There is a wealth of information among the membership that is freely shared..... That being said, I would really like to see some pictures prior to making a statement about it being a refinish.
My suggestion would be to start a thread on this topic and question all by itself. You will get lots of comments and expert opinions. Good pictures will help us a lot....
Looking forward to seeing it.
Many believe the cyls can turn purple with age. I've just never seen a gun with off color cyl that I couldn't also find signs of refinish.
If you have a 1937 contract 1917 it should have a domed tip on the rebound slide stud sticking out on the left side of the receiver. If it's polished flat, it's refinished. The post war 1946 1917 has a flat pin from the factory so that's no help in determining a refinish.
To determine which contract your 1917 is from, the '37 butt serial # will read right side up with barrel pointing to the right, if '46 contract (and all post war Smiths), the # will read right side up with barrel to the left.
So those two things considered together may help determine if it's a refinish.
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I used to shoot with a guy that had a Ruger Super Blackhawk chambered in .30 carbine. Not only was it LOUD, it was also very accurate. We were standing around in front of the company one day benchracing when the subject of accuracy came up out of nowhere. Somebody had heard about my buddies new revolver and was goading one of the other so-called expert shooters. The so-called expert said "Well just how good does that thing shoot?" My buddy calmly said "If you give me a full cylinder I'll bet you fifty bucks I could take out the traffic light on Monroe." We were standing at close to 200 yds from the intersection, I had seen Clyde shoot milk jugs easily at 100+ yards and said "I'll put up another fifty." Clyde grinned and the expert bowed out, that thing was that accurate. Clyde was shooting between his knees like we did with .44 Magnums most of the time for accuracy on rockchucks, if he didn't get lucky on the first shot I think he could have done it with three, six was a gift.
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At the Collection area of the NRA convention a few years ago, was a display of 1917's from WWII that were in 30 Carbine. The 1/2 moon clips were very interesting.
In the early 80's I owned a Blackhawk in 30 Carbine. One major problem was extraction with FMJ military ammo. The gentleman said that was the problem with the 1917 project, it was almost impossible to extract a 3 round clip of them!
I imagine that over penetration would have been a problem if testing got that far. That was a complaint with the rifle/carbine 32-20 load out of a revolver, and those were soft flat nose bullets.
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In the early 80's I owned a Blackhawk in 30 Carbine. One major problem was extraction with FMJ military ammo. The gentleman said that was the problem with the 1917 project, it was almost impossible to extract a 3 round clip of them!
I imagine that over penetration would have been a problem if testing got that far. That was a complaint with the rifle/carbine 32-20 load out of a revolver, and those were soft flat nose bullets.
Ivan
I’ve got one of those, it’s a nice revolver (just wanted something a little different when I bought it).
S&WIowegan
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As the owner of a Ruger Blackhawk 30 carbine, I can testify as to the 'blast'. I bought the gun at a gunshow about 25 years ago. I also bought factory ammo and then headed for a local indoor range. The blast was so nasty, especially indoors, that shooters next to me packed up and went home. I apologised to the range owner and he forgave me but I've never shot the gun indoors again.
As the owner of a Ruger Blackhawk 30 carbine, I can testify as to the 'blast'. I bought the gun at a gunshow about 25 years ago. I also bought factory ammo and then headed for a local indoor range. The blast was so nasty, especially indoors, that shooters next to me packed up and went home. I apologised to the range owner and he forgave me but I've never shot the gun indoors again.
Welcome to posting in the Forum, wwmain. Looks like this is your second post since February 2015.
Can you post a picture of the cylinder, including the rear of the cylinder, showing the serial number?
I'm not sure how to post a picture.
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Neither of the 1917s I have owned had purple cylinders; however, both of the 1937 Brazilian ones I have came with purple (plum) colored cylinders. My gunsmith said it was from not being in the blueing solution long enough when they were originally blued. Neither of them was refinished when I bought them. The rest of the finish on both guns (besides the nicks and scratches from rough handling and use) was a normal blued finish (not plum).
In case you are wondering, it will reblue just fine. There is nothing wrong with the cylinder that makes the steel incapable of having a nice, deep blued finish. I left one of mine as is and added a t-grip. The other one was cut to 3-1/2” and reblued.
In case you are wondering, it will reblue just fine. There is nothing wrong with the cylinder that makes the steel incapable of having a nice, deep blued finish. I left one of mine as is and added a t-grip. The other one was cut to 3-1/2” and reblued.
For what it's worth, I have two Brazilians (first contract), neither appear refinished, and neither have a purple tint to the cylinder...... nor does my U.S. 1917.
I have only seen that on ones that have other indications of a possible refinish.
That's just my experience. The issue of purple cylinders is hotly debated by some. I have avoided them due to personal preference.
I have only seen that on ones that have other indications of a possible refinish.
That's just my experience. The issue of purple cylinders is hotly debated by some. I have avoided them due to personal preference.
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